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The bodies of 109 Palestinians including 23 children and 11 women were taken to Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital, and spokesperson Khalil Degran told the Associated Press that more than 100 wounded also arrived to the hospital. In addition, he said the rest of the 210 Palestinians killed were taken to Al-Awda Hospital after the spokesman said he spoke to the director there. But the numbers at that hospital could not be confirmed by the AP. 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to continue the war until all hostages are freed, but Bassem Naim, a senior Hamas official now based in Lebanon, struck a drastically different tone. 

“The horrific massacre committed today by Netanyahu and his fascist government against the Palestinian people in Gaza, which led to slaughter of 210 and more than 400 wounded so far — under the pretext of liberating those detained by the resistance — confirms what the resistance has said repeatedly: that Netanyahu doesn’t plan to reach an agreement to stop the war and free the captured Israelis peacefully,” Naim said, according to the Associated Press.

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[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

There's nowhere else for Hamas to set up. There's civilians in all of Gaza. It's an extremely densely populated region, even more so now that it's being cleared and destroyed. Second, Hamas was created in response to Israeli aggression that already existed. Surrendering would just bring them to the status quo that inspired the First Intifada, when Palestinians were still being attacked, killed, restricted, oppressed, and their land steadily taken for more than 20 years already. People don't respond well to that and to expect them to sit there and being slowly ethnically cleansed again is unrealistic. The correct take is to oppose Israel and it's settler colonialism.

[–] Epicmulch@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you actually think this is a settler vs native thing you are cherry picking your history lessons.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It sounds like the opposite. Do you even know what Zionism is? It's calling for a place Jews from all over the world can go via. They bring in people from all over the world, lots of them have dual citizenships. Because Jewish people can trace genealogic origins there from thousands of years ago doesn't make some lady from Europe or New York the same as some local Palestinian kid at all. They then kick out the natives and give their homes to these settlers. They've been doing it since the 40's. People can look over the wall and see where they, their parents, or their grandparents used to live.

I recommend looking up the history of Zionism, including the European Jews that forwarded it, like Theodore Herzl, and the different places they considered for it (Uganda,Argentina, Cyprus, etc) before settling on Palestine.

[–] Epicmulch@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Don't cherry pick now. Go farther back.

The original homeland of the Jewish people is the region historically known as the Land of Israel, also referred to as Canaan, and later as Palestine. This area is located in the modern-day state of Israel, as well as parts of the Palestinian territories (the West Bank and Gaza Strip), and parts of neighboring countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. Historically significant cities in this region include Jerusalem, Hebron, and Bethlehem.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

But with that logic, my friends have the right to go to Italy and Ireland, kick out native Italians and Irish and take their houses, because they're Italian-American or Irish-American. That's not how it works or how it should work. Its the same reason I wouldn't have supported the Liberia project of having African-Americans go back to Africa and kick out and oppress the natives just because they were mistreated in the US, if I was alive at the time. It led to centuries of indigenous oppression and civil wars, like Israel and Palestine nowadays. We shouldn't be looking to imitate that level of colonial superiority anywhere else.

[–] Epicmulch@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

You're right looking at this situation like it about settlers and natives is totally silly.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Got a source saying there's literally nowhere else for Hamas to go? I don't believe that at all.

[–] Epicmulch@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

They have to hide behind school children don't you understand there isn't anywhere else to stand!

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 0 points 5 months ago

A map and basic understanding of indigenous resistance.