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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the solution isn’t no prisons

yes, it is. imagine this with any other abolished human atrocity of our past.

locking people in cages is wrong.

i haven't read the reductress article, but here's my take as a prison abolitionist: abolish prisons. there are a thousand other people who got railroaded worse and are getting stiffer sentences in worse prisons than trump will ever know. the slogan "none of us is free until all of us are free" has a new inverse "don't let trump free until all of us are free". this is absolutely abolitionist while avoiding being a special pleader for trump, and will likely have the same practical result if the maxim is followed: prisons are unlikely to be abolished, so he would be eually unlikely to escape it.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Alright but how do you plan to deal with murderers and rapists?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

murderers and rapists exist now. prisons don't fix that. in many ways they make the problem worse.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"It's already happening so just let it happen." That sounds like it will enable serial murderers and rapists to wander around murdering and raping as they please.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

“It’s already happening so just let it happen.”

this is a strawman

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like it will enable serial murderers and rapists to wander around murdering and raping as they please.

this already happens

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"So just ignore it and let them continue." I understand your position, no need to elaborate further.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“So just ignore it and let them continue.”

no one said that.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Instead of saying "they're already doing it," you are free at any time to explain how to prevent known rapists and murderers from continuing to rape and murder. That's literally what I asked in the first place. You don't have an answer at all, just, "they're already doing it anyway."

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

prisons are renowned for being dens of rape and murder. the prisons don't fix the problem they make it worse. i don't need an alternative to know what isn't working and what to do about it.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Understood. Where most people would focus on stopping rape and murder inside the prison, you would rather have the rapists and murderers out and free to rape and murder as they please. Justified as, "rapes and murders are already happening, so just let them happen."

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this is a strawman. i want no rape and murder. prison makes rape and murder worse.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's an exact description of your philosophy.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago