we could have a more robust economy where we do make everything and they make everything and nothing needs to be more expensive, if we just let it be less profitable
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that's not going to help
you're not an anarchist, so I don't see why they should consider your critique as anything but liberalism
eating meat is absolutely justifiable.
I would choose one that is provably effective. actually rescuing animals tangibly saves them from the agricultural system. everything else I can think of is the equivalent of hopes and prayers.
I mean I don't know: these are some pretty wild hypotheticals we are concocting.
clean living conditions. penalties for abuse. humane slaughter.
I suppose they could be getting more efficient but thats the opposite of regulation.
whatever you call it, we can't attribute it to vegans.
Isnt the line going up constantly evidence of constant addition of new land to hold more animals?
I'm assuming it is this in combination with new efficiencies (like the swine hotels in China)
If we ran out of new land to use wouldnt it plateau?
that's the assumption I'm using.
i think artificial insemination is safer for cattle than being mounted by a bull. that's likely true across the barnyard. so i'm fine with artificial insemination. i could see some argument about regulating separation practices, but my dairy farming friend tells me some cattle are bad moms and don't want to suckle their calves. i don't know how you could regulate any particular cow's inclination to nurse. and... as for life spans, i don't think their natural lives, free from veterinary care, provided food, water, shelter, and protection from predators would be any longer than they live now. i don't know and i'd love to have some real evidence of the lifespan of, say, holsteins in the wild. or broiler chickens.
so all your specific reforms are something id need to be sold on anyway, and i think of myself as a pretty reasonable and sympathetic subject, so you might be right about the difficulty of passing those specific reforms anyway.
but like... good luck.
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this is not very scientific.