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If Trump wins, funding for Israel will increase, and even more Palestinians will die. So basically, you're valuing your purity over human lives. Which is quite fascist, if you think about it.
"Opposing genocide is fascist" is certainly a take.
No, it's fucking not. Cornel West opposes funding to Israel, supports a 2 state solution, and supports the same issues strawmanned by lady liberty. I value the end of a genocide as well as a socialist economy. If neither of the mainstream candidates will stop the genocide, I'm going to vote for the only candidate that wants to stop the genocide as well as handle the other issues I care about, in a way I'd align with. My barely tepid patience with Biden and supporters like you has run out.
I upvoted you for at least naming a potential candidate, rather than vaguely saying “someone else”.
I would agree with this if not for the fact that you live in an absolute farce of a democracy where voting for a third party is nothing but a protest vote. Which seems fine to do in a state that will vote majority democrat anyway, but plain irresponsible in one that won't.
Discouraging people from voting 3rd party only ever hurts Democrats and liberal candidates. We're not just electing the president, which is where most of the 3rd parties appear, we're voting for everything. Telling people in battleground states that voting for "their guy" is pointless will stop the liberal and progressive people that support Cornel and Stein from going to vote. Those people vote Democrat down-ballot.
The reality is that either Trump or Biden will win and if you're not voting for either of them then, practically speaking, you might as well not vote at all. Third party candidates only ever get a tiny fraction of the overall vote and that's not going to change this time.
I'm not casting a protest vote. I'm voting honestly because there is no way to strategically vote for the less genocidal candidate.
Your moral purity will kill more people. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Biden is the less genocide candidate. He's been getting aid into Gaza, putting pressure on Israel, and directing funds towards humanitarian aid. All of that would cease immediately under trump.
Realistically, the best way to reduce genocide is through protest, donations, and activism. Electorally, the best option is to vote for Biden in the hopes we can keep trump from making thing unimaginably worse.
clearly my message went over your head. Either a candidate supports a genocide, or they don't. Biden can wag his finger all he wants, he's still complicit in genocide. The truth is that he's handling Israel more conservatively than Ronald Fucking Reagan.
If you put things in such stark black and white terms then every president has supported genocide; they've been funding Israel since the beginning, and America itself is built on stolen, colonized, and occupied land.
In truth elections have consequences, and across the board things will be substantially worse under trump than Biden.
I think you forgot that I stated I'm a leftist. Specifically I'm an anarchist. I already think every president in history is a criminal. I'm talking about what's happening in the here-and-now in the midst of the second Nakba.
Didn't you say you were going to vote for Cornel West? What are his thoughts on the genocide of Native Americans and whether the land should be returned to them?
He made a statement on Indigenous People's Day about what he already plans to do and states plainly that he needs to do more work as a scholar and activist to learn about how to bring justice to the Native Americans that were genocided in pursuit of Manifest Destiny.
Bringing justice to those that were genocided would entail ending the occupation, returning all stolen land to their ancestors, and probably transferring all assets to them. Not some half-assed "I'll strive to create an office to ease the pain"
part of his platform is to use FPIC to return land equitably to tribes, as well as issue various reparations. It's hard to get any more clear than that. Cornel West has always meant exactly what he says.
Just FYI, there are some really unfortunate but good reasons why tribal land has no equity and is unable to be used as collateral. For something to have value, there needs to be an interested seller and an interested buyer - but if reservation land is sold, it leaves the hands of the tribe and just becomes regular old white people land. We'd like tribal members to have access to that equity to use as collateral for debt... but we also don't want to disintegrate the reservations. There are good reasons for tribal land to be non-transferable, and we really shouldn't change that - however, there have been proposals for the government issuing uncollateralized loans as a form of reparations that are extremely interesting.
As I said: half assed
Retreat, return, repair. Anything less is just trying to excuse and continue to profit off the genocide
you aren't a leftist, so you'll forgive me if i don't let you set the standard.
I'm not a leftist because chex notes I want to see the stolen land returned?
Glad you're setting the standards here
you're not a leftist. what you have to say about returning stolen land is meaningless to me.
Also: vote in primaries
He just pledged more money so they can keep bombing kids. I'm not in the US but it's the same deal here in the UK. I'm not gonna vote for a guy who is trampling on my rights just to avoid the guy who does it a bit more, I'm gonna vote for who I want. We have first past the post voting here which makes my vote "wasted" but voting for the slightly less evil guy isn't the way to fix it.