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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Just so it doesn't get understated, there has literally never been a single change in US relations with Israel since 1948. This is the single biggest policy change the State department has ever made.

[–] treeko@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What policy change are you referring to? I didn’t see any mentioned in the article. Looks like business as usual despite the clear evidence of genocide aided by US weaponry

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

This is a public signal by the State department, which has influence backed by federal law. It's a warning that the bombs will dry up if any US arms are used in the aid of war crimes. Yes. Everyone knows that US arms have been used in Israeli war crimes. That's the point of the message, and will have enormous shifts in foreign policy by the entirety of NATO.

Edit: the direct answer to your question is that the US has never warned Israel like this. They have never threatened to end military aid.

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Well lets just hope it is not an empty warning and that they follow through with action ... quickly. Israel has grown used to being patted on the head for all its atrocities over the decades. I doubt they will back off with just a warning.

[–] treeko@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Alright I get that.. but that’s not a policy change.. maybe seems pedantic but a policy change is a codified change in institutional behavior. That’s quite different from a warning or public signal

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bush and Reagan actually blocked arms for israel.

This is a giant gaslighting nothing burger from Genocide Joe.

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Oh damn the Russian bots getting desperate

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

The fact that you don't even know about this speaks volumes.

You can open Google you know.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

At first, I considered it one of those proverbial baby-splitting decisions, and thus a dumb move. The Israeli government and its partisans in the U.S. are going to flip out as if this is the worst betrayal ever, because it's their M.O. to flip out over anything slightly critical. It's also not going to satisfy the "Genocide Joe" faction.

After some reflection, I think (hope!) that this is a warning shot to get IDF to take protecting civilians seriously. And because they won't (ethnic cleansing is the whole point of the operation), the Biden team better be ready to back it up with real consequences.

And the idiot Republicans have already jumped straight to impeachment talk, the New War Times is hyperventilating about antisemitism. They have no room to escalate, he's taken the big political hit. Now there's not so much further downside to bringing the hammer down on the Netanyahu regime.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

That won’t stop a huge amount of people from complaining that this “isn’t enough” and failing to appreciate what a monumental victory that this is.

Not satisfied that this doesn’t go far enough? Keep protesting! It works!

[–] treeko@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I genuinely don’t understand what victory you’re referring to.. much less some monumental victory. Am I missing something?

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How many times do you need it explained to you?

[–] treeko@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Once? The only other comment I left was asking what policy change someone was referring to

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Half assing a report saying that Israeli maybe used US weapons against civilians after 6 months of Israel blatantly murdering civilians with US weapons is definitely not enough lol.

Israel seems to be going ahead with their full assault on Rafah which means the ceasefire deal is probably down the gutter.

So it would be enough if Biden actually follows through with serious consequences for Israel. He stopped one shipment as a threat so far, so I'm patiently waiting to see how he reacts.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee -5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Vote for Trump then, since you’re willing to ignore any concept of reason or sense

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Pot calling kettle?

Or this not an example of ignoring reason or sense?

Well, you’re well past your 3rd explanation., and if you “don’t get it” at this point, it’s either because you’re too dumb, or — obviously — arguing in bad faith. Both are your fault, and nobody else’s obligation to deal with.

Just like all conservatives, You blame everyone else for the consequences of your own failings. Because if you can’t win on merit, just smear shit on the walls until everyone runs away.

Well, I’m not running away, asshole

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That won’t stop a huge amount of people from complaining that this “isn’t enough” and failing to appreciate what a monumental victory that this is.

Came back here just to tell you this halted shipment lasted a whopping 3 days before Biden approved a new 1.1 billions arms sale to Israel.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

How dare I not be able to predict the future!

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Another day, another DNC shill lol

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

And who are you voting for?