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tl;dr I propose a Fedi Union consisting of the developers of Phanpy, Pixelfed, Peertube, Lemmy, and PieFed. That will work as a way to fund all of the services collectively (with the option to still go to their individual patreons and fund them seperately) and as a way for them to communicate to help all the services be more compatible.

The only way to stop Meta taking over the Fedi is by making better apps than them. Defederating from threads as the sole defense mechanism is a fools errand. They are migrating their Billion+ users from instagram to Threads, the couple million mastodon users defederating from them won't hurt them. Yes we might think who cares if they have billions of users on Threads we will stay on mastodon servers that defederate with them but realistically there will be times we need to check stuff posted there if the biggest content creators, journalists, gamedevs, artists, youtubers, are posting their work there which they will do because they want to reach large audiences and because Threads will provide a way to monetize their work.

Threads is also being designed to take over Reddit\Lemmy next. Something no one has talked about is the fact that only one # is allowed in a post on Threads. This seems small but its actually huge because once launch their Reddit\Lemmy view every post on Threads with a # will be shown as a post on the subreddit/community with the name of that # and every like will be an upvote. Once this happens there will be times when specific niche communities and useful information will be stuck on their platforms. (like sometimes we still have to google for something with the word reddit to find useful information for something specific)

The only actual way to compete with them is to, well, compete and do a better job. Compare the official Mastodon app with Threads or any other mastodon app. The official app STILL doesn't have grouped notifications, threaded replies, or quote posts. It is barely compatible with any other ActivityPub service (Mastodon basically EEE activitypub but thats a thread for another day). The Mastodon devs are very hostile to the broad activitypub community. They don't work with devs of other services, they don't accept PRs, and they're deadset on sticking to Ruby and being nothing more than a Twitter clone. Mastodon is by far the biggest activitypub app which makes them essentially lead the rest of the space.

We need a Fedi Union where the developers of the different services work together so the services are fully compatible and so the community can fund the Fedi Union so devs outside the official team have the money to focus on development. The Mastodon team is getting around $30,000 a month and they haven't added a new feature in months (years?) meanwhile:

The sole developer of Phanpy (a mastodon app) has launched everything mastodon has and more (instant translation on home feed, boost carousel, threaded replies, Catch Up ui, new media focused view)

The sole developer of Pixelfed (an instagram competitor) has also developed Loops (a tiktok competitor), Sup (a WIP whatsapp competitor), and PubKit a toolkit for activitypub developers.

the two (main) develops of Lemmy have made the second largest ActivityPub service that is already a fleshed out competitor to reddit and has a huge community of developers making frontends and apps and now a WIP wiki as well.

I propose a Fedi Union consisting of the developers of Phanpy, Pixelfed, Peertube, Lemmy, and PieFed. That will work as a way to fund all of the services collectively (with the option to still go to their individual patreons and fund them seperately) and as a way for them to communicate to help all the services be more compatible.

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[–] dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why is it a nuisance for some? They could defederate from Mastodon.social and Mastodon.online. This place is supposed to be about freedom & choice. People can use different software, move to a different instance so I’m confused at the hostility toward Eugen.

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

If you have not followed any of the conversations on Mastodon in the past then it could be more difficult to understand. Let me just try to summarize this a bit. I give credits to Gargron to pulling off Mastodon and being an example for other to give a boost to Fediverse development (Before Mastodon there were a few things but all a bit niche kind of. Mastodon then profited from a few Twitter, Tumblr and what not Exodus moments to get more popular). But other than that Gargron should have taken responsibility. As far as I remember the Mastodon app was just pointing to dot social at some point, nice for masses of new users, but not in the spirit of decentralization (Going from one silo to another ? And yeah, simply migrate to another instance, not every person will do so) You cannot point confused masses of people to just your flagship instance, and do no moderation. This has all improved by now. Now imagine that your own nice instance got several thousands of users (I think I remember that https://social.tchncs.de/explore went over 20k users in 2018 with the first Twitter Exodus causing some initial server troubles. Today the same server shows 4K active users). What would you do ? In case of the Mastodon social flagship I believe they eventually hired moderators. Ironically Gargron is quoted here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(social_network)#Content_moderation