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[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 111 points 7 months ago (3 children)

No one has any money for rent, food, or living expenses.

Everyone is overworked.

We're paid pennies compared to CEO's.

Every single company fucks us by raising prices because they can, and our governments do nothing because they haven't worked for the people in decades..

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

While that is all generally true, the status of most people in developed countries today is better than its ever been in history.

That's what's driving fertility down. People who have access to education, medical care, relative comfort and security have fewer children.

[–] Remmock@kbin.social 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My wife and I are part of a younger generation whose culture revolves around NOT having children until all those things you mentioned are attained. The stress of even having a kid, let alone multiple, is not something we’re going to address until we hit financial security.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 3 points 7 months ago

And at least in most places of the world, you are unlikely to ever achieve financial security because the government inflates your fiat currency until it's worthless.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The subtext there is that you feel that financial security is something which is attainable.

[–] Welt@lazysoci.al 19 points 7 months ago

No it isn't, there's no implication of that. Just that they won't reproduce until they see it happening.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 6 points 7 months ago

I figure it's a combination of problems. I come home from work exhausted and don't want to go out. So I'm at home alone. On the bad side, the work, the stress, the balance of keeping everything because the way the modern world has gone to make it difficult to look for new jobs especially if you lost yours just makes going out difficult.

But that's because to "go out" I'd have to drive half an hour or more away to maybe a bar. And the bar is filled with people who are going to visit said bar.

We're at a point where it's easier to communicate with people hundreds of miles away instead of someone in our neighborhood, and comfortable enough to do it, while stressed enough to not make the attempts. Stack on those that are married, there's the problem of just having enough time of day from both people having to work overtime.

[–] WeeSheep@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Pretty sure throughout history most (if not all) generations have worked to give their kids a better (if not approximately equal) quality of life to their own. That isn't feasible for many people, and older generations are frustrated that it wasn't/isn't feasible for many who are currently young adults. That, along with the ability to control if you have kids, makes the choice for many of us. Why would you choose to have kids if their lives are worse than your own and you don't enjoy your own?

[–] markon@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

This is in the good economies too! In most of Africa life is even shittier. I can only imagine. Well, is still mostly better than it's ever been. History is cruel, and present but at least % of population living decent is much higher globally. Still, USA richest country in the world and we can't Even get universal healthcare, and instead of aiding homeless domestically, or money for food abroad etc.... We give a genocidal maniac hundreds of billions to play with.