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[–] dudebro@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hunting and self-defense? Lots of people are marksmen just as a hobby.

We get it. You're afraid to own a gun so you think everyone else should be, too.

Let me guess, you also don't like the police? You probably can't fight? Why would you want to live in a society where everyone stronger than you can do what they want with you?

[–] sensibilidades@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love how you go from 'guns are just tools' to 'I think about fighting all the time' in like three sentences. I've had guns, I used to be a member of the NRA, I'm also not a dipshit who thinks a gun is just as much a tool as a hammer is. They're designed to kill things, it's not weak to admit that's what they're for.

[–] dudebro@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Stop playing leapfrog with yourself.

Just be direct with what you want to say.

[–] HelixDab@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I used to be a member of the NRA too, but I'm not willing to pay for some dude's $15,000 suits while he's kissing the asses of people that want to overturn every part of the constitution that isn't 2A rights. I'm slightly more okay with SAF and GOA, but they still often shill for Republicans.

The fact that a gun has a 'purpose' of killing is reductive and not useful. Killing is, by itself, neither good nor bad. Killing can be justified and moral, or it can be deeply immoral.

So, as I asked originally, if you could reduce the number of illegal and immoral uses of firearms without reducing the ability of people to exercise their civil rights, would you be open to that?

Fewer guns doesn't, by itself, mean less violence. We can see that in Australia and in England, where the combined rates of all violent crimes (battery, robbery, forcible rape, murder) are comparable to the US, and possibly higher, but the lethality is reduced. On the other hand, reducing the amount of violence in society, through programs that attack root causes in the most affected communities (which, notably, is not harsher policing and sentencing, but more like community improvement and poverty reduction), reduces both rates of violence and the homicide rates. Chicago actually had a pretty good violence intervention program going for a number of years before it was senselessly defunded.