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Christians are not really known for being champions for transgender folks. Catholics and Orthodox are official opposed to the existence of trans folks as a whole, since it does not work well with their binary view on gender.
Okay? That's a them problem. I'm not a Roman Catholic nor an Orthodox. Still never seen an Orthodox or a Catholic person advocate for the killing of trans people though.
They just say you don't exist, which at least does not help.
I've seen Atheists say that. Including Dawkins. Killing people and saying someone's belief in their own gender is or isn't valid are different things, though.
But there is no atheists dogma or teaching that can be a base for discrimination of trans people. Obviously individual atheist can be transphobic unrelated to their believe that there is no god. On the other hand christian transphobes will often root their transphophia in their christian believe.
Invalidating trans folks existence is often predecessor of violence against trans people.
Christianity doesn't have dogma on the trans issue. Dawkins would argue that biologival sex is a scientific fact. The Bible just says that God created people as man and woman. What does me being a Christian have to do with Christian transphobes, and why would you bring up my religion when I literally just expressed disgust at the murder of a transgender person?
Dude?
So? He rationalizes his transphobia with his poor understanding of human biology, psychology and sociology, which are all not his fields of expertise by the way, and more importantly unrelated to atheism. If he was Karamazov, than maybe you would have a point.
At best you participate in a believe system that promotes violence against trans people by invalidating their existence. So your disgust seems rather disingenuous, or you haven't really reflected on this whole topic at all.
What.
You have troubles reading?
Christian dogma of two genders invalidated the existence of trans folks, which in turn promotes violence against trans people. Since you haven't explicitly stated your own believes but you self identify as christian, it's reasonable to assume that you adhere to basic Christian dogma. This assumption is supported by your stance on abortion, which means you are more of a fundamentalist christian.
Not once did I mention Christianity as being my basis for my stance on Abortion.
So what would make you happy then? If I stopped being Christian? Because it sounds like you want me to choose between being Christian and being pro violence against trans people, even though it's a bit of a stretch to say that the Bible saying God created people male and female is promoting violence against trans people.
Sure, you just can't come up with any other reasoning (we have a rather long conversation, so you had plenty of opportunities). But please enlighten me on how your stance on abortion, is not result of you moral views that stem from your believe in Christianity.
Not needing to have a conversation on abortion and human rights for trans people, would make me happier. But that is besides the point. I just pointed out, that it's somehow bizarre for me, that people who invalidate trans people whole existence are surprised by the violence trans people experience and are not able to see a connection.
Because foetuses look like children and can feel pain, have a heartbeat, etc. If anything I'd be more pro life if I was atheist as at least I know that they go to heaven. But this isn't our abortion discussion.
I never invalidated transgender people's whole existence. But if you want me to not be vocal against killing people (as it seems you don't want me to by my first argument) then fine. I guess my Christian belief of "you shall not kill" is too radical and should be kept to myself.
But that is not your reasoning. Your state that after implantation abortion is murder. A blastocyst does not look like a child, does not feel pain and does not have a heart to begin with. So who are you kidding and why are you not trusting in your own faith?
Sure, I just assumed you follow the most common christian doctrine as defined by the bible and major Christians sects. Feel free to correct me at any time.
Christians love being victims. What about the other cheek my friend? Jesus was a cool dude, what the fuck happened to his followers? I personally blame Peter.