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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The things dems claimed they would unilaterly provide when they had majority but didn't because they are also corporate shills

Thanks Obama

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I know the ACA is not universal healthcare, but it was an improvement. Also we were one vote away from a single payer option, but then Joe Lieberman threatened to kill the whole bill over that one provision.

[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You'll always be one vote away, any time any real change is possible, like a public option, enough people will swap sides. Been happening obviously since the blue dog Dems in the Clinton years. Sinema, Manchin... Predictable.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

That pesky parliamentarian!

[–] Pohl@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

And if you recall passing the (very limited) ACA was political suicide for the party. Voters love the law 10yrs on but they did not like it then. 2010 was a bloodbath. Any party that decide to try and ram all that shit through would be out of power and the shit would be repealed in an instant.

You don’t need better political parties, you need better neighbors. The people are the reason this country fails. Politicians just deliver the failure that we ask them for.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We got to see how eager Democrats were to pass the bailouts for their donors, followed by watching the party kill the public option like they intended to do from the very beginning.

The difference between Obama's plan and Clinton's plan was that Obama's had no individual mandate and a public option. We voted for Obama because his plan was better than Clinton's. What we got was Clinton's plan.

Plus bailouts for wall street. Plus no accountability for those who caused the housing crisis. Minus closing Gitmo. Minus assistance for the worthless individual humans whose lives were ruined by the housing crisis. Minus codifying Roe.

But yeah, we don't dare try to fix healthcare! Look at how unpopular that and that alone is! It's certainly not because we half-assed it and made it perfectly clear that Democrats are beholden to moneyed interests and moneyed interests only.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Don't forget, large groups of Millennials did "take to the streets" in open protest of the way things were handled... only to be mocked by the very party and voters who claimed to be on our side. People tend to look at 2016 through a very narrow view rather than a series of missteps by Democrat politicians and moderate voters over 8 years. And 8 years later moderates continue to insist that as the majority of the Democrat party they can pick a pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting trash candidate in the primaries but have zero responsibility for what happens in the general. I'm so sick of leftists and progressives being told they're minor wings but somehow are 100% responsible for what happens in the general elections. Both can't be true.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Who knew poor execution of a good idea would be political suicide??

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I know the ACA is not universal healthcare, but it was an improvement.

I remember 15 years ago when it passed. Democrats said the work wasn't done and immediately gave up forever on passing the public option.

Also we were one vote away from a single payer option

Just like we were conveniently one vote away from passing BBB.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago

They did not claim they could unilaterally do it nor was there ever a filibuster-proof majority who wanted any of these things.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

citation needed