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[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (7 children)

they killed him because of a poster?

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He died after his conviction. American coroners found no evidence that he was killed or tortured. The settler probably never worked a real day in his life.

[–] Amanduh@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

Surely the nk government wouldn't lie!

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

No they detained him because he was acting sketchy as hell stealing shit and acting like a spy. Then he had a medical issue while incarcerated, went into a coma and there’s no evidence of DPRK doing anything to him.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

He seems to have gotten botulism and then his parents pulled the plug on him after his vegetative body was returned

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

His body had no bedsores on it and no evidence of torture. They were turning him multiple times a day to prevent bed sores, just like medical professionals are supposed to

The torture accusations are completely unfounded.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Looks like he got beat up by the cops after he caused a disturbance. Then died of complications. Not great. Maybe if we let the dprk have proper medical supplies that wouldn't have happened

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No evidence of any beatings or torture whatsoever

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

No, but like. A hand full of scared shitless dprk cops and a corn fed good ol boy causing a ruckus? A couple elbows are easily forgivable.

[–] johnmccainstumor@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We don’t got to justify our violence

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not a good take. We absolutely do need to justify whatever degree of violence we think it will take to replace capitalism -- how else are we supposed to get popular support for it? Even the "we shall not make excuses for the terror" quote immediately excuses the terror by pointing out how it's a response to the violence of "the royal terrorists." The "there were two reigns of terror" quote does the same. Justifying violence also clarifies which types of violence are necessary and which are excessive, which is another key part of building and keeping popular support (see Mao separating the PLA from the warlords by mandating that they pay for supplies from peasants rather than just stealing them, see the Red Army's punishment of sexual violence during WWII).

And that's in a revolutionary context. In a post-revoutionary AES state there's even more rationale to justify whatever violence we think is necessary to maintain that state, as the threats it faces are less imminent and it has more resources and time.

[–] TheDialectic@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

That is a good point anti-cracker-aktion

[–] booty@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

The American coroner who did the autopsy identified no evidence that he was physically harmed by anyone in any way. Why exactly do you think the American coroner would lie to protect North Korean prison guards from Americans' disapproval?