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Defiant Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu doubled down on opposition to Palestinian statehood, deepening the divide with Israel’s closest international allies, as cracks in his wartime “unity” government became increasingly evident.

Anger with Netanyahu is also increasingly visible on the streets, even though there is broad public support for the war. On Saturday, protesters gathered in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Caesarea and Kfar Saba, some calling for bolder action to secure the release of hostages, and others demanding the prime minister step down.

One in Jerusalem held a placard that read: “Mothers’ cry: we will not sacrifice our children in the war to save the rightwing.”

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Right of return is dead. Hamas killed it.

Israelis aren't just going to allow Palestinians to come into Israel whenever they please after October 7. What are you smoking?

Sure maybe after a generation or two, if Palestinians can stop hating Israelis. But by then there will be no Palestinian old enough to have ever lived in Israel.

Are you making unrealistic demands knowing they aren't feasible because you want this conflict to go on forever?

Palestinians won't be de-radicalized until people the world over stop egging them on with their blood and soil justifications. A Palestinian state will only be possible a generation after the last person says "From the River to the Sea" and they give up on their fascist ideas of restoring the ethnic makeup of geographic areas to the way they were in a history book.

Some of the things Palestinians want could have been valid at a negotiating table. But when you choose violence the only thing that matters is which side has more capability of executing violence. And after you choose violence and lose, you aren't going to get as much at a negotiating table as you would have had you not chosen violence. You can't have people getting everything they want after using violence because it would be non-stop war and terrorism everywhere in the world.

So yeah, forget about right of return. 30 years ago that may have been possible, but Palestinians chose Hamas over right of return.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

restoring the ethnic makeup of geographic areas to the way they were in a history book

Jesus fucking christ, how do you think you have the moral high-ground when in the process of exhibiting your smug, superiority complex you are criticizing the Palestinians for trying to do the exact fucking thing that the Israeli's already did. Don't answer that because I know whatever you are going to say is going to be precisely the kind of sick, demented justification that has allowed this conflict to continue for as long as it has in the first place.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago

ideas of restoring the ethnic makeup of geographic areas to the way they were in a history book.

This has to be the most myopic statement I have ever read.

You can't have people getting everything they want after using violence because it would be non-stop war

Nevermind