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China cracks down on negativity over economy in bid to boost confidence amid record high youth unemployment and struggling property sector (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 11 months ago by tardigrada@beehaw.org to c/news@beehaw.org

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This month the Weibo account Weibo Finance, which has more than 1.5 million followers, issued an instruction against posting any comments “that bad-mouth the economy”. The post appears to have since been deleted. Bloomberg reported that several other finance influencers had been told by Weibo to “avoid crossing red lines” and to post less about the economy. Weibo did not reply to a request for comment.

Topics that are considered increasingly sensitive in China’s economy include record high youth unemployment figures (the government stopped publishing this data in August), deflation, the struggling property sector and capital flight.

The restrictions have been building for some time. In June, three finance commentators, one of whom had 4.7 million Weibo followers, were blocked by the platform as a punishment for “hyping up the unemployment rate, spreading negative information … [and] smearing the development of the securities market”.

Dan Wang, the chief economist at Hang Seng Bank, said “the number one sensitive issue now” was foreign investment, because of its links to cross-border capital flows.

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[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lenin's biggest mistake was thinking this whole "dictatorship of the proletariat" phase was going to be this magical normal period that no human would abuse ever, completely ignoring millennia of human history, human behavior, and the dynamics of power that would make that sort of thing literally impossible. Not only does absolute power corrupts absolutely, but even if a leader was immune to such corruption, dictatorships are never propped up by one single leader. They are precariously installed by groups of people who have other units of power, like the military, to keep the system in place.

One of those powerful people can simply say: "Keep this dictatorship in place or I will torture you and your entire family while spreading propaganda about detestable crimes, until eventually I'll feed you to the angry mob and prop up a new dictator."

And that's it. The real communism dream never happens. Corruption quickly floods the state, and wealth disparity continues unchallenged and unabated. It's just more hidden, under the guise of a system of equalative poverty for one class of people and gradients of power for another class of people.

Hell, this even happens with failed democracies, like Russia. Everybody gets behind the new system, but without the right kinds of checks and balances, corruption invades and, eventually, it's a democracy in name only. But, at least democracy never had any notion of a dictatorship built into the philosophy. Democracies are still really hard to keep in place, but communism is a doomed idea from the very start.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Communism is a very doable system, the problem is that people have false expectations of it and what it should look like (largely thanks to Leninism).

Collaborative, democratic consensus, is the normal way that groups of people work. Coercion is not, but that is how majoritarian systems work, and it is how states work. People have been living under Western nation-state and administrative-state systems for so long, within defined borders that denote both behavior and identity, that it's tough for people to take how things work on a micro scale (e.g. family or friend-group dynamics), and apply that thinking at larger scales. The common response is, "but someone will always try to take charge/ seize power", and that is true, but before the time of the modern state, you could walk away.

Now the state itself has become a self-perpetuating threat to its own citizens (which you can't leave without subsuming yourself to another state), and majoritarian democracy is just used to maintain the state through the illusion of choices that hold that threat at bay. "Don't let 'x' get in power, because if they do they'll hurt those of us that are 'y'." You can't fuck off and make a community that doesn't allow 'x', because a state will come along and destroy or seize it.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it’s tough for people to take how things work on a micro scale (e.g. family or friend-group dynamics), and apply that thinking at larger scales.

Because it's already very very hard to scale. It takes only a small group of people to fuck up trust models to such a degree that the whole system falls apart.

If you are not prepared for evil, evil will hold far more power that you and decimate the entire community. Indigenous peoples from every corner of the world have been punished by that hard lesson over and over again.

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Scale is half the problem. There is a reason that climate destruction, world-spanning wars, nuclear weapons, etc. all took off the same time that population exploded. You can't separate scale from technology from destruction. I'm not arguing for de-dev, but the complex, "scalable" systems we've built and now rely on are literally either designed to kill us or are inadvertently killing us (emission, plastics, deforestation, PFAS, etc.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm advocating being unprepared for evil? Even in Anarchist systems, which do not have systems of authority, the use of force to counter someone hurting you is well understood.

If your argument is that state systems will scale large enough to destroy non-state systems, I agree, but then you're just agreeing with what I said about the state setting itself up as a threat that must be participated with in order to counter (i.e. in this case arguing, "if you don't want the state to consume you, make your own state"). That doesn't make those other systems bad, it makes states bad. "Might makes right" is not generally considered a very modern or positive way of interacting with each other.