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Don't align with most of your fellow citizens that vote, specifically. And they're the only ones that count in this case.
Sounds like you think you can win the 2024 general election without our help then. Best of luck.
If you're petty enough to roll over and let fascism win, you were never someone who could be relied on anyway.
And yet, apparently the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries are relying on our votes because he wouldn't have won the general without us.
Based on what you know about the GOP, what makes you think that there will even be an election in 2028 it they gain power in 2024?
I don't. Question is, why did the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries think they could fuck us over and then turn around and expect our votes?
So, a fascist takeover and having elections banned is okay by you, because you're mad Biden voters didn't pick your choice?
Why would I answer your question when you didn't answer mine?
Do you think you can win primary and general elections without their help? Petulance only begets petulance.
Do you want our votes or not? This ain't the way to do it.
This entire thread is literally about how there aren't very many of "your votes"
Sounds like you think you don't need us to win the 2024 election then.
Go nuts man. I don't care at all how you vote
Alright then don't cry when you lose in 2024. And if there is another primary election in 2028 do your best not to vote for the most procorporate trash candidate yeah?
Joe Biden was my first choice in the 2020 primaries. Clinton was my first choice in 2016. Buttigieg will be my first choice in 2028, most likely.
See the thing is, im part of that majority, and I agree with them.
Why did you vote for Biden out of everybody else in the 2020 primaries?
I'm a big fan of Biden as a human being, and figured he'd do about the job he's currently doing given his skill at working in Congress.
His policies are generally, but not always, policies I agree with, so that clicked too.
Should I take that to mean:
You need to be more specific here. These are really vague reasons.
No I absolutely love Booker and Buttigiege especially.
No I just preferred Biden, especially with his history both in the Senate and as VP to Obama, dealing with a very hostile Congress as I expected he would during his term.
I do not agree 100% with any politician's policies. I think Biden is way too protectionist, as an example of a place we agree in vision.
I figure he holds those views because of his passion for "the little guy" and his generalized support of unions, but it's a place we generally disagree. You gotta take the good with the bad. Shit, Buttigieg spoke in favor of rent control and I still like him a ton. He's a good guy. He can be wrong sometimes.
Booker has more views that I don't like than most, but damn if I don't like that he can get shit done with, again, heavily entrenched interests who hate one another. He never really had a shot, but I just like the dude.
Happy to answer any more questions.
What I'm getting from this is you prefer "moderates" like Biden over progressives and leftists so you voted for Biden over everybody else because of that.
We are not on the same side.
Biden is not a moderate
You're right. He's right of center.
We are not on the same side. You'd rather work with MAGA than compromise to the left.
I don't perceive us as having similar end desires, no, but the idea I'd rather side with people further from my views than closer is absurd, and born of the jealousy - you're angry that the norm is the norm and not your views. My support of Biden is proof of that - he's too protectionist, but Trump is far more protectionist, as an easy policy example.
If you want your ideas to be popular, consider trying to spread them positively.
I'm not angry at all. I'm just not voting for Biden in 2024 and you're gonna be angry about that.
I've got a better idea: I'll stop propping up your shitty candidates until you're willing to compromise or this country collapses. I'm fine with either outcome.
I've told.you I don't care lol.
Nah. There aren't enough of you to matter.
Is that what you said in 2016?
No in 2016 I still had a lot of (now-delusional) hope that evangelicals wouldn't possibly vote for an insane boor of a man.
You didn't vote for Clinton in 16 lol
You seem incapable of putting 2 and 2 together here.
Exactly my point.
Awww is the Boomer upset that someone doesn't just do what they're told? Gonna throw a little fit and insist you're the grown up and therefore you make all the rules?
Typical.
I'm old but I'm not that old. I'm a tail end millennial.
I'm not trying to make the rules or insist I'm the grown up. I'm just trying to point out that animosity with necessary allies is a terrible idea, and it applies both directions. I think it's more important to win than it is to be proven right.
They're not allies though. The people who voted for Biden in the primaries did so specifically to fight progressive and leftist efforts. Ask anybody who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries why they did it.
They are not allies and they're not hiding it. They're fighting us in the open.