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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Massive is right. And Russia has still never recovered the population losses from WWI (at least 1.7 million), WWII (27,000,000), Stalin's purges, believed to be 20-30,000,000) the living exodus from Soviet break up, or the 4,585,000 covid deaths, and now has less than half this place's population, which limits is status as any kind of global power.

Russia ought to be begging for emigration, right now. But, they are a pariah.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

Don't forget the brain drain once they officially declared war (special military operation) against Ukraine. There was a mass exodus of scholars and intellectuals not wanting to be trapped in russia.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

And it's not only the population, but its GDP is tiny. Back when Russia first invaded Ukraine, I wondered how big Russia would be if it were a US state. I compared the GDP per Capita of all US states to Russia's.

Mississippi's GDP per Capita was almost 4 times larger than Russia's. Mississippi! I finally went into the US territories to find one that Russia could top (American Samoa).

And, in case you're thinking "well, that's GDP per Capita, they'd dwarf all US states in GDP," they'd be the third largest state behind California and Texas and just ahead of New York. The US as a whole has a GDP over 10 times larger than Russia.

[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Russia's only strenght was its oil reserves, but Putin had to realize he can't blackmail with that forever.

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Your comparison is biased because the economy of Russia is quite insular — you're basically saying that if they were to export all they produce and buy all they need from the US, they would reach the wealth of 1/4 Mississippi. But the Russians make a lot of stuff themselves, they just have trouble buying from abroad.

What you want is to compare GDP adjusted for purchasing power parity. Then Russia's economy becomes comparable with California's or Germany's.

However this must be taken with a grain of salt, because GDP-PPP is hard to measure in the first place (because purchasing power is hard to measure), and Russia is undergoing sanctions and running a war economy, and the Russian government is probably fudging the numbers anyway.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago

If I trade you a car for your truck, congratulations, we've just raised the GDP. Kind of a shit metric just sayin.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

peria

"Pariah" might be the word you're looking for.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Indeed, changed

Edited to add. I was in Spanish, in which that spelling is the same word.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago

Emigration is to leave, I think you mean immigration.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

yeah its strange they kidnap the kids when its like. dudes you do not have to go to war. just do foreign adoptions!

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 1 points 11 months ago

Russia lost the ability to do soft power. All it can do is bluster and threaten and attack (with variable likelihood of success). It has no economic opportunities that would attract venturesome migrants, as everything of value happening in Russia belongs to oligarchs who understand that they owe their lives to the Czar, and anybody who gets any ideas about disrupting the incumbents and getting rich is unlikely to live very long. Other than from the poorer ex-SSRs (colloquially known as “the ‘Stans”), very few people were inclined to immigrate to Russia even before the war, and now with foreigners being press-ganged into the frontlines, that isn’t improving.