this post was submitted on 07 Dec 2023
59 points (71.5% liked)

World News

38979 readers
3025 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why do Israelis have such a disproportionate influence over public opinion?

[–] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Germany is notorious for murdering millions of Jews. Them taking a pro-Isreal stance is not surprising. Forever guilty and all that.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe it's time to grow up for them too..

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Maybe everyone should read more history books (or wiki articles and reputable YouTube channels). 70 years is not ancient history.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The point is, that historical "guilt" druves them to decisions that end up supporting genocide all over again.

Germany is a nation powerful enough for politicians to make up their damn mind and do what's right.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

You totally should if you feel you don't understand enough! Good call!!

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israel is a Western conservative investment. They're a group of brown people, who happen to be the best of the brown people but still brown.
After WWII we carved out a piece of land in the middle east and gave it to them. Nevermind all the other people already living there though, they're the bad kind of brown people.
And how do we keep all those brown people in line?
Give boatloads of cash and guns to the "tolerable" brown people and keep them fighting amongst themselves. Keep this up for 75 years and you now have a situation that requires you keep dumping money and guns into it otherwise you destabilize the middle east, the region responsible for supplying a majority of the lubricant that keeps the global economy running.
Destabilize the petroleum supply and you destabilize a major share of the global economy.
Destabilize the global economy enough and you've created the perfect conditions for another world war.

Tl;Dr:
The United States has been meddling in Middle Eastern politics for so long that quitting cold turkey would create an uncontrollable situation.

How do we fix it?
Beats the hell out of me, I didn't make this mess and it's not my job to help them fucking clean it up.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How do we fix it? Israel shot themselves in the foot by keeping the Palestinians divided and ensuring that a two state solution can not be viable. Therefore, the UN needs to step in and implement a one state solution. Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank would be given citizenship and representation in a combined state. UN peacekeeping forces would have to fight against groups of terrorists (both Hamas and Israeli) who oppose this solution.

Israel has the right to exist, but no one has an inherent right to an apartied ethno-state. The combined state would have a more equal amount of Jews and Arabs, so the Israelis would be unable to oppress the Palestinians the way they currently do.

Is this a popular solution? No. Will anyone seriously argue that a two state solution is still viable and that Israel will work towards that? No.

The idea of a Palestine controlled by the UN was actually part of the original plan for the region that the British drew up, before they decided to use the Zionists as a convenient tool to screw over the Arabs.

The current state of affairs weakens the entire idea of the United Nations as a tool for preventing major worldwide conflicts. If Israel continues to get away with ignoring international law, and if the US continues to veto UN resolutions that seek to hold Israel accountable, it contributes to moving the world closer to WW3.

People will say that the situation is much more complicated than just "European colonizers oppress yet another group of brown people". Fine, if that is true then that is a good reason why the US should not be taking one side over the other, and the US government should back out and let the UN do what needs to be done.