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Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

and the Russian conservatives

The Russian conservatives include plenty of gay people. Obviously hypocritical, but I wouldn't expect them to support actual extermination.

The reason such actions happen is to show the average ignorant citizen (as Putin & co imagine that) that what said person wants is being delivered. Of course the average ignorant citizen doesn't care about hurting LGBTQ people (at worst cares about hurting anyone happier than him, but still with no specifics). They just have a skewed picture of what that average citizen is, some drunk guided (in their imagination) by Russian prison culture only interested in having a better car.

Ah, also Putin & co are not conservatives. They in general have no consistent ideology to speak of. Take anyone important - they've been with "democrats pushing for reform" in the last years of the USSR, then "democrats fighting the Communist beast" in Yeltsin's early years, then "centrists trying to prevent the integrity of the federation" in his late years, then with Putin "law against terrorism", then "law against neo-Nazis", then "economic stability unlike the bad-bad 90s", and so on. At some point they got lazy and the facades became less consistent and memorable.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Russian conservatives include plenty of gay people. Obviously hypocritical

Example: Milonov

They in general have no consistent ideology to speak of.

For those who don't know difference between totalitarism and authoritarism, this is the differece.

Take anyone important - they've been with "democrats pushing for reform" in the last years of the USSR, then "democrats fighting the Communist beast" in Yeltsin's early years, then "centrists trying to prevent the integrity of the federation" in his late years, then with Putin "law against terrorism", then "law against neo-Nazis", then "economic stability unlike the bad-bad 90s", and so on. At some point they got lazy and the facades became less consistent and memorable.

CORRECT

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, it appears that some people not from Russia or its neighborhood are so unwilling to change their simple and wrong picture of what happens there, that they even care to downvote a comment simply pointing out that Putin, Shoigu, Patrushev, others have in various roles been near the top for all of the last 30 years, and then simply listing the main state "ideology" lines in Russia in the last 30 years, with no political position taken.

Or maybe it's my bad English in that comment, I meant "preserve the integrity", of course =\

[–] uis@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Or maybe it's my bad English in that comment

Happens to me too.

Anyway, if it was on mastodon, I would say you are downvoted because your comment contradicts their General Party Line, but mastodon instances can't downvote, so no idea.