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[–] Shurimal@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago (15 children)

The very day Hamas attack happened I suspected that there's no way Israel's intelligence orgs, some of the best in the world, did not know about the plan for the attack way before it happened. This whole affair stinks to the high heavens.

[–] shadysus@lemmy.ca 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (13 children)

Even if it wasn't intentional

  • he directly stated in a speech that he approved funding transfer to Hamas to help them grow in power to keep the people divided

  • they moved soldiers away from the border to the west bank to help with settlements

  • as this article suggests, they had a lot of warnings

Those 3 points alone should be enough to send him and his party away, and until that happens (and until Hamas is also removed from power), that region won't see peace.

We need to let the legal system do its job, and for both Likud & Hamas to be removed from power through LEGAL MEANS by the people they say they represent.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

Those 3 points alone should be enough to send him and his party away, and until that happens (and until Hamas is also removed from power), that region won’t see peace.

About your Hamas part, Hamas has historically participated in ceasefire agreements in good faith. It's Israel who doesn't (hell they didn't completely follow the current agreement). Why I'm saying this is that the "and Hamas is also removed from power" part is basically Israeli propaganda, because it makes it seem like even if Israel tries to make peace with Palestinians it won't happen until Hamas is removed (likely by force), which makes things like this current war easier to swallow.

[–] shadysus@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I will highlight the important bit

Removed from power through legal means, by the people they state they represent. Removing either group with violence will beget more violence. A new entity with the same ideology will fill the gap.

Hamas as an organization has its own problems, and they share a lot of the same issues as Likud. They both hold on to power through violence and fear.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago

Oh yeah Hamas definitely has a lot of problems, and while I don't know a lot about Gaza's internal affairs they're probably not the people who should be ruling Gaza after the conflict ends. That said, one of the things they do right is following ceasefire agreements until it's obvious Israel has no intention of doing the same (2008 and 2012 come to mind).

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