Disinterest in pursuing a more empirical world view is not illogical if one would have to damage their relationship with those closest to them in its pursuit.

(Sorry about the pretentiousness of that (and this) sentence, I can't find a more vernacular way of expressing these ideas succinctly).

[–] araozu@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What you said (and such defenses of religion) makes me think: If I see someone ready to jump off a bridge, and I can stop them against their will, should I? I mean, inside their brain they are ending their suffering. They don't see value in life. But I do. Whose worldview is more important?

What if it was drugs, should I stop them? What if it was drinking every weekend? What if it was refusing to go outside without a mask in the middle of a pandemic?

What if it was following the cult of their parents, which encourages abuse & discrimination of women, opression of minorities, supression & regression of scientific advances and further indoctrination of future generations? If I have the power to get someone out of their cult against their will, should I?

Or what if it was continuing to feed a system that brainwashes people into thinking that monetary gain is what's important in life, that the system is infallible, and no alternatives exist?

Should we act against what we perceive as wrong, even if it's against the will of other persons? Where do we draw the line? Who decides what is right and what is wrong?

[–] araozu@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Following my first example, it is logical that a person that sees no value in life would want to commit suicide. It is logical to want to end one's suffering. It would be illogical for them to continue living a life of misery and suffering. It would be illogical for them to expect changes for the better, given their past experiences.

So why do we stop suicides? Why do we prevent them? Isn't it logical for such person to commit suicide?

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

I'm happy my comment has sparked some thought. You asked a lot of open ended questions and I can't take the time to address them right now I hope you're not disappointed when you learn all i have to say right now is that:

Not every suicide is illogical, and I'm thankful to live in a society that recognizes that, and provides medical assistance in dieing but I don't have enough information to weigh in with more specificity than that.

[–] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks for voicing this, I also find it interesting.

The problem is, I've been a supporter of suicide for ages, so I feel like in not your target audience. I guess it's really tricky because often the logic is using flawed assumption or blinders - no one is an island, it's impossible to die without affecting those around you...

Obviously religions, world views and differences of priorities are more nuanced, but I really appreciate your approach of not interfering with ones agency.

Is there a tie-in with the paradox of tolerance, here? Feels like it

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

For one thing, some suicides leave dependents behind who can't take care of themselves without the person who committed suicide.

[–] Tranus@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

If that was pretentious, I must be some kind of stuck up asshole