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And that’s fine if you think that, but like I said, what am I to do about the imposed sense of shame that I’ve been hearing about since I was 5? Just stop calling it pride because some tone-deaf folk or someone with an agenda wants their black & white parade? Or because someone can’t see the bigger picture? In a sense, I’m being asked to be disarmed of one of the most politically powerful and humanitarian movements in history for the sake of argument.

I’m not asking for you (or anyone) to do anything, I’m just discussing on the internet. If you think adapting the current situation to avoid the fallacy is not worth it, by all means do what you feel is better. Being straight and European I’m clearly less informed on the subject than you, so it makes sense that you would want to stick to your beliefs, I’m not surprised and I’m not bitter or anything about it. As we already said, the world has far worse problems than a speech fallacy skewed in favor of a heavily oppressed community.

It’s important to express it because representation & visibility in the media matters, and that yearly reminder that we’re still here and that we have numbers also matters. It’s not just for the bigots but for ourselves growing up as well. I’m not sure you realize the impact that Pride has on teens and young adults for their self esteem, what a lighthouse signal it is to let our guards down, and what a difference it makes to see some hope that there’s an active effort to change the world for the better. I grew up with that and I wish more people did because I still see so much self hate of which I have many stories.

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough about it earlier, but I have absolutely nothing against “Pride” as an event. I’ve never been to one but from stories, pictures and videos I’ve seen it seems like sort of a huge carnival spreading messages of acceptance and peace, that’s wonderful and I love that it’s happening. I was talking more about the idiom (my original comment wasn’t even about sexuality), and people saying they’re “proud of being (anything they were born as)”. I think I even discussed with another commenter how the event being called “Gay Pride” is something that’s set in stone and part of universal speech, so at this point it wouldn’t be worth it to rename it just to make it “slightly less controversial” (like the whole debate about “blacklist” or “male and female” adapters).

I said no such thing. I said that gay pride exists because there’s a need for it to exist, and that need isn’t going away anytime soon. Like I said, be glad that you don’t feel the need to derive a sense of self-worth or community for your basic human rights.

I know, it was just an example of how someone can feel neither shameful nor prideful about something.

You’re allowed to, just like everyone is allowed their misinformed opinions, but that doesn’t save anyone from the push back. My point is that it’s a frivolous discussion marred in the oversimplification of the term based on a misconception that I hear too often. Sorry but this discussion is not new and it’s often attached to some bigoted ideas regardless of your good intentions, and that’s my real issue. I get your point, that it sounds absurd, but context is everything.

Sure, I never denied it being frivolous, and I tried discussing it on a place like Lemmy especially because if I did it in a less left-leaning community the comments would’ve just been filled with bigots turning my argument into an excuse to insult. In a place like this where mostly everyone knows there’s no gay lobby trying to control the world or anything, I feel like you can discuss these things in a more relaxed and detached way.