Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go "Lemmy is getting worse and worse," or "I'm leaving Lemmy," or worse, "I'm leaving for Beehaw."

If you're using Beehaw, then you're using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don't like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don't get our terminology right.

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[–] nizzy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

most of the drama has been around beehaw, people don't like the political affiliations of the main dev... but idk what you're gunna do about that besides move to kbin witch uses lemmy anyways.

[–] ritswd@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kbin and Lemmy are both based on ActivityPub, but they don’t use each other.

I don’t think the drama has been only around BeeHaw, the existence of Kbin itself is mostly because of the Lemmy devs being holocaust deniers, believing in “white genocide”, and stuff like that. I also wasn’t convinced at some point until I was pointed at the receipts, see the “Read right here” comment on this post: https://lemmy.world/comment/562635

[–] Ech@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Am I missing something? They're specifically saying the opposite of what you said - that the Holocaust happened and that white genocide isn't real. The statement "Are you a white genocide denier?" is mockery, not an actual inquiry.

[–] CookieJarObserver@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

They deny communist genocides... The holocaust wasn't the only genocide...

[–] ritswd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, right. So, they’re Uyghur genocide deniers. And North Korea supporters too apparently. Which… I mean… isn’t much better.

[–] Ech@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That part does seem to be true, and yeah, it's not great. As far as I can tell, though, nothing about their ideology can really affect Lemmy. If it wasn't open source, or was flooded with ads to monetize it, I would probably be in the anti-lemmy camp. But (so far) that's not the case, and as long as that remains true, I don't see much of a problem with the platform as a whole.

Ironically, Lemmy being decentralized like it is is pretty antifascist. Not gonna try to parse out how fascist sympathizers justified that in their world view, but I'm not complaining.

[–] venusenvy47@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I haven't read to much into the history of the developers, other than a lengthy summary of posts that someone posted a few days ago. But he seems to be strongly anti-censorship, which would have to be a modified form of fascism.

[–] ritswd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that’s fair. I’m staying on Lemmy following the same line of thinking; but I cancelled my monthly donation to them, thinking it would sure be swell if they ran out of money and have to transfer the reins of the project to other people, at which point I’d donate again.

And if they don’t and Lemmy just dies because of the lack of funds because of who they are, I’m thinking it’s not the end of the world either, because there’s Kbin to take over that’s awfully similar anyway.

[–] dot20@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're getting external funding: https://nlnet.nl/project/Lemmy/index.html

[–] ritswd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they get paid depending on the features they deliver; which may or may not be what the community needs, particularly as time-sensitive issues get discovered. Also, what they get paid amounts to below minimum wage. They explain it in a bit more detail here: https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout

So, very different from donations, which come reliably periodically with no strings attached, and can scale very well as usage grows.