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"Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused."

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[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 43 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I wonder what percentage of their rapidly diminishing military might is being used to block foreigners from leaving? seems like a poor allocation of resources... unless there's something they dont want the foreigners to tell the outside world?

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's not like they ever had a chance of winning considering their definition of winning is driving the Jews into the sea. Their whole purpose is to fuck shit up and cause maximum damage and this makes sense in that context.

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

that's their endgame? how does that work when they're surrounded on all sides (counting the sea)?

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you want an actual answer they want the Islamic world to unite and kill everyone else, it's been a pretty constant theme for a while now from middle Eastern terror groups.

That's why the fundamentalists in change (and not living in Gaza) wanted to commit an attack Israel could not ignore, nation's like Saudi Arabia and Jordan we're getting on too well with Israel and that would ruin their chances for a middle Eastern caliphate...

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

ah, a pipe dream then. gotcha. yeah, caliphates arent going to make a comeback.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Yes, they're funding terrorism based on an absurd pipedream that they use to maintain their own power, sadly a very common story.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 0 points 10 months ago

Not while America is willing to invade and bomb anyone that tries, and everyone around them when they do.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

From the footage at Rafah, feels like hundreds of foreign nationals are gathered waiting an okay from Israel and Egypt. I don't see WHY Hamas would even care to stop Palestinian Americans from leaving to the states.

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Hamas intends to use those people as leverage to get their home countries to exert pressure on Israel. Hamas is basically taking them hostage.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is there any source for that idea, or that this is actually happening? The only source for this article are US officials, who are full-throated allies of Israel, so there likely could be a bias. Telegraph is widely known as biased.

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I'm just saying that a group that has taken ACTUAL hostages certainly isn't above using foreign nationals as quasi-hostages to pressure other countries to exert influence on Israel to get them to stop shelling Gaza.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

I have failed to find any statement made by Egypt to confirm this.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

No evidence for that though

[–] snek@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago

Home counties?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don't see the Palestinians, they see the Americans, and Americans are hostages and also decadents who deserve being knocked down a peg

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right now, the Israelis are bombing the Rafah crossing and blaming Hamas for the dead.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Pretty much, yes. In fact they have caused road problems on two occasions that took days of repair.

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas doesn't need to do anything. All they have to do is say nobody's getting out, which means the IDF can assume anyone running towards the exit is a terrorist making an attack. I think any foreign nationals that would ever travel to Gaza know better than to approach Israeli forces for help.

If there's anyone that doesn't want the outside world to know what's up, ask the folks who recently cut off internet access to Gaza. Who was it? It wasn't Hamas.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you seriously think Israel shut off internet to hide what's inside? Do you know satellites exist? Do you know cameras exist? How in the world was that preventing anyone from seeing into Gaza?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago

None. This is the Telegraph a known israeli propaganda outlet. Israel is literally bombing the border crossing and this newspaper is telling you that Hamas is the one responsible for it.