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[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 year ago (56 children)

Can someone give me the straight talk on why western countries, who usually at least try to look like they have the moral high ground, are falling all over themselves in support of Israel?

What is the non-conspiracy nutter reason why the US feels the need to provide billions of dollars in support to Israel?

Clearly actions on both sides are reprehensible, some more-so than others. There's no goodies and baddies here. There's aggressors, innocents, and victims on all sides.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Israel is ultimately a problem created by western nations like the UK and US, have more similar culture to the west and are their strategic partner for the area whereas the arab nations are traditionally backed by Russia. So they basically HAVE to give them unconditional support to Israel or lose their influence on the region.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

I've done some reading and listening since I asked this question and I think that this is the correct answer.

They're the only non-muslim country in the middle-east, and therefore our closest ideological partner, and therefore our best strategic partner.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 7 points 1 year ago

War is about resources. USA and Britain don't give a shit about giving the land (that they stole from Palestinians) to Jewish people. Israel and Saudi Arabia are their only ways to project power in the region to have leverage against countries with more oil.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's the historic precedent that people have already discussed here.

There's the very effective Israeli lobby, which has integrated itself into many different governments.

There's the fact that Israel is pro-western, in the Middle East, so they serve Western interests. They can be the foil for Western influence in the Middle East, without directly implicating the West. Need a weapon site bombed in Iran? Israel will do it. This is probably the biggest reason.

The country of Israel has integrated itself into the Western global intelligence Network, especially in terms of special operations, and special intelligence gathering tools, and a weapon supplier for missile defense, drone defense etc. For all intents and purposes their military ally for the west.

The West has a bias against Muslims, and Islam. Not necessarily a deliberate bias, but there is a bias. There is a reluctance for full trust. Israel is a religious country, based on Judaism, which makes them more palatable for Western people to think about.

All that being said, is Western support guaranteed? No. At the international level real politic is extremely fickle, you have to continue to be useful. If another country with better trade-off showed up in the region, it's very likely they would also receive this Western appreciation.

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