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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately those words are largely wasted IMO. If you read the text of the constitutional amendment itself you'll note that the constitution itself would have only established the existence of the council. Every other detail of it is left up to legislation:

the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.”

So again, why is this in the constitution? The Parliament could neuter it on a whim by passing a law at any point that established its composition is one guy and its sole function is to publish a pamphlet for sale in the Parliament gift shop. It wouldn't make much difference if they could simply abolish it.

[–] CalamityJoe@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because even with that additional wording was in the constitution, any law or changes that prevented the Voice from existing, and being able to make representations to Parliament, would be unconstitutional.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alright, its sole function is to present that pamphlet to Parliament itself. Still pointless.

[–] CalamityJoe@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Not pointless at at all, and I'm not sure why you believe that.

Do you think mining companies and large corporations spend the 100s of millions of dollars they do on political lobbyists, to approach parliament and put forward the companies' views on their behalf, if it was pointless?

No. Lobbyists achieve results, and at a minimum, make the companies feel like they're part of the political process, and that their concerns and needs are being voiced, and a much healthier chance of having proposed legislation amended due to that lobbying. It's political participation.

Lobbyist don't get to change laws either. They don't get to amend or dismiss laws, or sidestep the political process. They communicate and voice their concerns to those that do have that ability. I don't see anyone saying lobbyists are useless pamphlet sellers.

The Voice was essentially a proposal to enable the creation of a constitutionally recognised lobbying entity that would work on Indigenous Australians' behalf, since Indigenous Australians don't have the financial or organisational capacity to create such an entity themselves, and