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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Uhhhh, the dominant historical source of academy science is race science. We require many barriers to science because science has historically been completely entrenched in oppression and it hasn't really ever stopped

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

i believe this is addressed somewhere on the scihub website. racial hatred and bigotry is a barrier to science. the founder of scihub is a communist

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with the sentiment in the context of it being a file sharing site for academic texts but it's not worded so well barriers in the way of science could also include ethical concerns to certain kinds of experiment

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Racial hatred and bigotry are individualistic barriers to science.

Racialized capitalism is the foundation of the modern university. Harvard resisted getting rid of its slaves and when they did they bought and sold people in the Caribbean outside of the reach of US law. Disgustingly high numbers of medical schools were built on the basis of dissecting and experimenting on black and indigenous people.

Most ivy league schools still have the remains of scores of black and indigenous people in their museums, their libraries, and even their classrooms. Entire skeletons of enslaved people were prepared for classroom demonstrations and used in contemporary memory!

The money for these universities came from the slave trade and from slave labor. The schools themselves were often built with slave labor. The patrons of the university funded race science to justify the structures of racism.

It has nothing to do with racial hatred and bigotry.

The structural racism funded the creation and expansion of universities. MIT would not exist if it weren't for the need for textile producers to build machines to make more money so the money that got poured into MIT was the money that was extracted from slave labor picking cotton.

Undoing this harm and bringing about justice through reparations is going to really undermine university endowments. It's going to require removing names of buildings, dishonoring scientific "heroes", and preventing it from happening again is going to be seen as barriers to science.

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can you explain what you mean about historical race science? I've never heard of it.

Either way, even shitty science should be freely accessible so your point doesn't make any sense.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Either way, even shitty science should be freely accessible so your point doesn't make any sense.

It really shouldn't. We saw through the COVID vaccine hysteria just how harmful shitty science can be. A lot of people died completely preventable deaths because we live under the illusion that reason prevails under the free marketplace of ideas or some nonsense like that.

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strong disagree, given the vaccine hysteria was on the part of the deniers. The science supported and continues to support the vaccines effectiveness and safety. It's primarily people who aren't scientists and don't know how to interpret medical studies that are claiming that they are dangerous or ineffective.

Nice to meet you, I'm a medical scientist that specializes in Alzheimer's research. Absolutely none of my colleagues think vaccines are dangerous.

[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you explain what you mean about historical race science? I've never heard of it.

Basically it boils down to making up any bullshit excuses possible to justify us-foreign-policy

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

That's just us-foreign-policy but for "whites"

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Race science is the science that emerged to rationalize and justify the structure of racism. It is the science that emerged to justify political race structures. Race science is what allowed black and indigenous children to be ripped away from their parents while other parents watched and participated and said "This is good".

That race science was funded by the elite or society. They extracted wealth through settler colonialism and racialized capitalism and then donated it to the universities as "philanthropy" and used their influence to direct more research into race science and other endeavors to maximize their profits.

Making research freely available is not removing all barriers to science. It is removing but one barrier to science. There are many other barriers that exist, have existed, or could exist.

In this way, saying that all barriers to science must be removed ignores the historical facts that the origins of academic science in the US are rooted almost entirely in race science. Even medical schools were locations of mass racialized atrocities where black and brown bodies were bought, imported, experimented on, killed, and desecrated in order to meet the demands of donors and chasing more endowment money. That science was used to further establish the schools' reputation and revenue streams.

Fixing this will be seen as a barrier to science, as fixing it required dismantling major portions of the socio-politico-economic structures that maintain academies of science. Reparations alone would make many scientific institutions disappear overnight.

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand the historical context but many of us scientists strive to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. Nearly every grant I apply to has a secondary version that prioritizes racially and ethnically diverse applicants. Half of articles I see published are now acknowledging the racial divide in science and striving to recruit more minority populations.

I'm applying to a federal grant now (K01) and I am required to state my strategy for ensuring representation of gender, race, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status in my recruitment population. I have a section of my grant discussing how the presentation of Alzheimers differs in black communities.

We definitely have more work to do, but it's not like we're pretending the racial divide doesn't exist.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nearly every grant I apply to has a secondary version that prioritizes racially and ethnically diverse applicants

That's diversity at best and tokenism at worst and has no impact on what science has inherited. Black people working on chemical warfare doesn't make it less structurally racist.

Half of articles I see published are now acknowledging the racial divide in science and striving to recruit more minority populations.

Doesn't reduce the billions of dollars current institutions have extracted by consuming black and brown bodies.

We definitely have more work to do, but it’s not like we’re pretending the racial divide doesn’t exist.

It's not a racial divide. It's a racist structure. We ARE pretending like racism doesn't exist in the way that it does but instead exists as not enough representation. Racism isn't a lack of representation. It's much much much bigger than that, and fixing it doesn't require more representation to happen first.

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Intentional racism is no longer an issue due to nearly every (reputable) publication's requirement of a institutional review board. This is to prevent exactly what you describe.

Unintentional racism, yes I agree that's a problem.

But come on. We've made huge strides in this over the past few decades.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Only sound Marxist-Leninist science like Lysenkoism!

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[–] captcha@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Do you understand that the primary barriers being referred to here are intellectual property? I suspect you aren't in favor of propritarian intellectualism. What do you think those racist academies opinions on intellectual property has been?

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