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What do you hope comes after it ?
Pure chaos.
No, this is Patrick
Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.
You can have cooperatives right now.
The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can't do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.
Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.
The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don't bother investing in coops. You've obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.
No I haven't.
But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.
Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?
I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don't issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.
Or cooperatives don't issue bonds because they believe that nobody will buy them.
It's the perfect investment for people who don't want to participate in the usual capitalism.
No ofense but...
LoL.
Laugh while you can.
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Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.
When has that ever worked?
Plenty if you study history and anthropology. How do you think humans lived for millenia before the invention of currency? You do realize thousands of years separate that from advent of trade and long after we settled down to form permanent communities?
Nonsense. There is no returning to small-scale egalitarian societies. Large-scale societies are a trap; once you embrace them, you can never go back apart from in extreme isolation. Spend even 5 minutes thinking seriously about it and you will see why it's a pipe dream.
You don’t think there was any authority in those cultures?
You think there is no authority in anarchist government? Have you ever read about horizontal-democracies?
Anarchist just means "against coercive authorities" namely "centralized and hierarchical governance"
You realize the fediverse that creates lemmy is an anarchist structure right?
Generally anarchism does reject the idea of authority wholesale whilst also having no historical basis for it. Those societies were clearly in a very different place. I suggest you look into dialects as they will provide comprehensive explanations as to authority and its foundations (and why there are different conditions then than now) especially seeing as they fully had “coercive” authority. Now as to what non-coercive authority is, I don’t think even the anarchists have cracked that one