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[–] people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org 117 points 1 year ago (21 children)

This is all fine and well, but am I the only one a bit concerned about how NexusMods is practically a monopoly in the modding scene? Why does literally every modder have to use a rate-limiting host as a platform, especially when Github exists?

[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, for one thing, Nexus gives modders a share of ad revenue. Under a different name, I have a mod that's a backend requirement for a big, popular mod, and that nets me a reliable few bucks a month.

That said, a good portion of the modding community also exists on Gamebanana. If you want BotW, ToTK or Source engine mods, GB is the go-to.

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait I have a stupid subscription to nexus and idk why I haven't canceled it (used it for one month for some mod back in the day). I use nexus for all mods. Should I keep my sub then because all I care about is modders getting something.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought lifetime premium years ago when it was still an option and have never once regretted it.

[–] Crismus@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago

The lifetime access was such a good investment. I missed a lot of other lifetime subscriptions, and am glad I get such great download speed.

[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com 2 points 1 year ago

Well, if you're paying for premium, you're still part of the site's profit, part of which goes to the mods you use, so either way shouldn't matter.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, github does exist. It looks like people just prefer platforms with a pre-existing community.

[–] Chailles@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Mods uploaded to github does really suck for discoverability though. There's the roguelike Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead. The modding scene exists entirely on Github and you'd basically never find them unless you go searching for mods on their Discord channel.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Steam workshop exists as well, for games that support it.

[–] ahornsirup@artemis.camp 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's even worse though. Plenty of games (e.g. Stellaris and RimWorld) are also available on platforms like GOG or, ugh, Epic. But if you want to use mods and you bought the game on any platform other than Steam it's fuck you.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if you buy Terraria off of steam, you can use steam mods. Sounds like a per-game problem, rather than a steam problem.

[–] ahornsirup@artemis.camp 7 points 1 year ago

I know it is, developers can block downloads unless the user is signed into a Steam account that owns the game. But as an end-user that's distinction without difference.

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

https://steamworkshopdownloader.io/ never gotten this to work myself but I put the least amount of effort in as possible. There may be others as well but I remember when I did my research a couple years ago that it was a real trudge and almost not worth it.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago

I know there are workarounds, but this is true. There are very little games I buy (at least directly) through steam nowadays, because I didn't like what it became after the Greenlight/Direct debacle and I didn't want my library to be that dependent of them anymore.

I have playnite as a unified game library launcher (with GoG, itch.io, humble, Ubi, EA, even Amazon Prime and freaking EGS just for the free games), so where I get my games from doesn't matter much for me now.

But workshop integration is basically the only thing that makes me want a Steam copy for a game.

Though among the games in that case, there were Rimworld and Dwarf Fortress, and for both if you get a copy directly from the developers, you get DRM-free and a Steam key. So, that's what I did.

[–] Chailles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a couple issues with it. I mean, it's simple for games where you're not using a bunch of mods, but at some point it just becomes excessive. Not to mention that when a mod updates, the mod will automatically update breaking your game sometimes, or when you're trying to play a game, a mod just doesn't update causing it to break the game that way too. There's just a lack of control that's often necessary when modding.

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[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That went so well until your proposed alternative was Microsoft.

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At least github is easier than the shit that is nexusmods

Also there are alternatives

Gitlab.. sourceforge..

Ive downloaded a lot of mods from sourceforge over the years

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[–] people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know what Microsoft's general reputation is, but it's undeniable that GitHub has only seen improvements since Microsoft acquired it.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

since Microsoft acquired it.

Embrace

Extend

Estinquish

They have not changed.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

That only makes sense if Microsoft had a GotHub competitor lol. I think it was more about getting that juicy data and making copilot.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, an alternative using git would be good probably, but maybe don't use github. Preferably though, it'd be agnostic and just target some git repo anywhere. It'd pull from a description file for the page to ensure a uniform appearance preferably, and it'd show and manage versions from some uniformly named folder on the repo.

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's also steam workshop. Neither are shining examples of a free modding community. I think nexus mods starting out better and slowly enshittified but I don't know the extent of it.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Nexus hasn't changed much over the years. They just make a new mod tool every few years it feels like lol.

[–] HipHoboHarold@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I think it's just the internet being the internet. Or at least how it's been for awhile. There are big sites that a lot of people crowd to and that becomes the default. Like auctioning things off online. Ebay. That was where everyone went to. Need to order a few different things online? Amazon. Are there other online stores? Plenty. But Amazon is seen as cheap and convenient.

Nexus mods is just the popular site, but the moders have other options.

[–] Rose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

We don't. My ultrawide mods get thousands of downloads and I haven't uploaded a single one to Nexus.

[–] gothicdecadence@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

There's also the Thunder store!

[–] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

That's kinda like saying PlanetMinecraft monopolized sharing world's, isn't it?

[–] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's stuff like Curseforge, but it's only for some games, mostly Minecraft. The problem, if someone considers it a problem, is really that communities for games generally centralize around one site for their mods for the most part, and Nexus has garnered a lot of trust and therefore has more pull/inertia for communities working those things out.

As for Github, I believe the vast majority of mods have Github pages, but Github itself doesn't really have a UI suited for mod downloaders, and no real incentive to implement one. So sites like Nexus and Curseforge are still a necessity.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ech@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice! Personally I don't have any particular issue with Nexus, but it's always nice to see diversity. Monopolies are pretty much never good for end users.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My only issue with Nexus is that I have to create a login to download mods there. I don't want to sign in to websites just to DL something. Curseforge is good for Minecraft mods and doesn't hassle me with a login prompt

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[–] Spudwart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I believe modrinth will be expanding to be more than Minecraft mods iirc.

[–] Kaldo@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was really hoping thunderstore and mod.io would take off more since they seem more platform-agnostic and FOSS-like with their integration with git and versioning (and for some games they have), but people just prefer convenience of nexusmods and steam workshop unfortunately. They just have a bigger community and better discoverability in the end

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[–] kamaii@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

R2Modman and thunderstore.io has grown it's catalogue quite a bit as of late, but it's mostly (don't know if it's entirely or not) unity games. It's my favorite modding platform with features that make sharing modlists for multiplayer a breeze.

[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Nexus has the lions share, but only for some games, I had a premium subscription but still found for like half the games I mod that nexus either didn't have a modpage for them or that most modders for that game used other sites to host their mods

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their rate-limiting isn't bad at all, their integration into everything is excellent, and for games without much of a community Vortex is often the only mod manager. Their API isn't closed down, so Mod Organiser can integrate with Nexus just as well, and they probably would also do it with other mod sites if those ever bothered to set up a version check etc. API. They have an excellent search function.

In short: They provide a good service. Like the most annoying part about Nexus as a freeloader is the five or what seconds wait before your mod manager picks up the download.

And, no, their rate limiting really isn't bad. 1.5MB/s for people with adblock, 3MB/s for people without. How often do you download gigabytes worth of mods it's not like they're bullying you into a subscription.

[–] people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But any rate-limit is worse than no rate-limit. GitHub exists and can provide the same features in a better manner with no limits whatsoever.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Github has other ways to make money, and Microsoft capital to back up everything. And granted Nexus could use a better bug tracker, but you won't see them getting into the private repository business any time soon.

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