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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Lighting was a good cable when apple made the switch from 30 pin connector and android was still trying to figure out whether they would use microUSB, miniUSB, and whatever the sam hell this is. And there was no interoperability

Once USB became the standard their was no real reason to hold onto lightning other than it being proprietary and them wanting to hand hold their users

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Lol what? Android used micro USB all across the board on flagships. They then went straight to usb-c.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had USB-3 for a bit on my my Note.

I kinda liked it since you could still use a regular micro USB cable in a pinch.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I had one on a Samsung as well, I did enjoy how a regular micro USB was still usable, I just needed the one at home to be more powerful.

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That is straight up not true. I have multiple flagship devices with mini-USB and, within those, some have mini-A while others have mini-B. Google’s own Nexus devices had mini-USB connectors.

[–] p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The first "Google phone" was the HTC Dream (T-Mobile G1) with MiniUSB. Next was the Nexus One with MicroUSB. Everything after used MicroUSB until the Nexus 5X with USB-C.

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It feels like you’re arguing semantics. Are you only counting Google-branded devices? What about other Android flagships made by Samsung? HTC?

[–] p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google’s own Nexus devices had mini-USB connectors.

I was addressing this point in particular. There were no "Nexus" devices with MiniUSB, so it was clear quite early that Google considered MicroUSB to "the right port" for Android.

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s not true. I have a Nexus tablet with mini-USB. So either you only mean phones or you’re wrong.

[–] p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which tablet? I checked every device on https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sQuickSearch=yes&sName=nexus, and none have Mini USB. There were two Nexus 7 tablets with Micro USB.

[–] protput@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This might be true for a very select few devices. Before usb-c I have never seen something else besides micro USB on an android device (besides the micro USB 3.0 connection, but you could put a normal micro USB cable in those)

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the common EPS initiative (mandating USB 2.0 micro-B) was in effect since 2009. That's right around the time smartphones were getting popular. Even my last slide phone had micro-USB. Maybe there were different models for different markets though, a product doesn't need to follow EU law if it's only sold in the US.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I had multiple phones with mini USB-B.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

It used to be a jungle unless the device specifically had micro-USB during the initial Android days. micro-USB funnily standardised Android devices, and now USB-C has unified everything.

[–] spikespaz@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 1 year ago

LoL people forgetting the massive ball of random USB styles hrydra-ing from a single cable that existed just labeled "Android" that I had clipped to my backpack to help people charge their phone.

All micro USB my ass.

[–] Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Well that and the made for iPhone program made them apparently 5 billion a year on the lightning cable alone. That’s not just first party. That’s also third party connectors.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

That cable had one awesome feature.

You could just plug in a micro cable and get a charge, so old cables in the car or at the office worked fine (well...as fine as Micro-USB ever worked), just more slowly

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Once USB became the standard their was no real reason to hold onto lightning other than it being proprietary and them wanting to hand hold their users

Well if the lockout chip rumors are true, they've basically just made Lighting 2, Electric Boogaloo that just happens to be shaped like USB-C but is incompatible with all non-Apple approved connectors.

[–] Beliriel@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

And is now illegal lol

[–] paholg@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I believe that is USB 3.0 Micro B.

[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 10 points 1 year ago

It was never a good cable. Only one reason is needed to prove it: it was not standardized.

[–] mriguy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Once USB became the standard their was no real reason to hold onto lightning other than it being proprietary and them wanting to hand hold their users

Other than the fact that they promised when they switched to lightning they wouldn’t change connectors again for a decade.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Wow good guy EU, making them hold their word lmao. Lightning came out in 2012, so this would have been the 11th year.

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The reason to hold onto it after USB-C was the literally millions of devices that had been released at the time that used it. There’s a reason people made a stink about moving away from the 30-pin despite Lightning being objectively better. It’s the same situation here.

[–] grayman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

At one point, after normal C came out, I gave up and threw out all the stuff I had that took the giant C connector. What an abomination.

[–] ArdMacha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is for external hard drives, the same ones that plug into Macs......

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That is micro-USB 3.0 and it’s an annoying connector that now is just as obsolete as micro-USB 2.0 and for some reason, around 2014, sone smartphone manufacturers thought it was a good idea adding it on their phones. Didn’t last long and got replaced by normal micro-USB again (which is much worse than lightning imo).

[–] protput@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My Samsung S5 had one of those. You could just put a normal micro USB cable in them to charge.

[–] ArdMacha@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's for devices that require more power usually, many external harddrive/ssd cases still use them.

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yea, and since usb-c there’s no reason why. Micro b 3 is worse in every way