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[–] bobman@unilem.org 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What is the legal justification for this?

[–] nostradiel@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't understand it either.. He's obviously nuts, but that's his life and he should be able to choose to do what he wishes to. Doesn't matter on law. Most of the laws is just jurisdictional bullshit anyway. You don't need to have laws to know what's good or bad. Every decent moral ethic human being knows what's good or bad.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is like the third time they have had to rescue him, it's a waste of tax payer money.

[–] Widowmaker_Best_Girl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So don't rescue him then? He knows it's a stupid idea, let him take his own risk.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

It's a little more complicated then that. He could be a safety hazard for other boats and travel lanes. And then when some boat calls in the contraption as a rescue concern, they have no way of knowing its him until they get to him. It could be some other idiot in a makeshift raft for all they know.

I guess they could just slap a GPS on the device that way they can warn other boats or ignore rescue calls, but that seems like a lot of work just to placate one dude.

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except for humans who are mentally unwell and might cause damage to others or their property which is why detaining mentally unwell people and getting them help before they can hurt themselves is important.

Would you let a child crawl into a washing machine?

[–] nostradiel@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't want to be cruel but natural selection has its meaning. We as a society are exaggerating helping and healing some individuals who should rather be alone somewhere where they can live peacefuly or weirdly without depleting our resources. It is already out-of control and will end by the end of our civilization. It's inevitable.

Child is a child and should be watched and teached but severely mentally ill individual cannot be integrated. And if someone wants to die on the see, just fucking let him.

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think I understand where you’re coming from but I have to say I think you’re totally wrong and dangerously so.

First things first, we’re talking about human life and death and thus should treat things carefully because the results are, well deadly and irreversible.

Now, to get right to the point, natural selection is about masses and populations >>naturally<< surviving those who did not adapt as well. It’s not about what causes death, but what enables the continual existence of life and that distinction is vital.

Lastly, for my opinion portion, we as human beings are cognizant of ourselves and of the universe. We are not birds on an island and thus it’s in our nature to be cognizant and to make choices through our consciousness. That’s our natural selection right there.

Letting someone who is ill harm themselves, instead of helping them live comfortably while we figure out how to “correct or adapt” them to live comfortably is unnatural for us as humans. Many animals and other living creatures seemingly show signs of empathy and team work.

Sounds to me like your environment might be naturally selecting an unnatural outlook for your life if you’re really cool with letting mentally sick or disordered people hurt themselves.

We’re a species that thrives off cooperation and team work, don’t forget that friend! Idk if you’ve had family in your life with mental illness but I know it can burn. You. Out. But you gotta remember that we’re complex and amazing creatures that this planet hasn’t ever fuckin seen yet (probably) were capable of beautiful and powerful things if we keep our heads on straight and our engines cooled

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The part where upon being stopped by the Coast Guard - he threatened to kill himself and that he had a bomb. Also his device is not seaworthy and they would be dispatched to find him anyway when he dissapears because that's what they have to do.

[–] bobman@unilem.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't know you needed to have a seaworthy device to sail on open waters.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hazard to other traffic. If you cant steer, dont have lights, dont have a radio, and dont have a beacon or radar reflector, you're being a pain in the ass for everyone else on the high seas.

Just like how a car needs to have a minimum standard of roadworthiness to drive on public roads

[–] bobman@unilem.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is he really a hazard to other traffic, or just himself?

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Cargo ship owners dont want to scrape plastic and meat gunk out of their propellers

[–] Spikke@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“He is now facing federal charges of obstruction of a boarding, and violation of a Captain of the Port order.”

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

If you asked me to make up naval-related criminal charges while I was drunk, this is the sort of shit I would come up with.