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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the heck country are you living in where those aren't already part of the culture?

What makes you think that because it goes on in some parts of a country that it defines all people in that land and from that land?

Check your own fucking privilege, or better yet, your bias. You make broad generalizations about people that you literally haven't ever spoken to.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Obviously bigots exist everywhere, but you have your head in the sand if you don't think some cultures are far worse than others.

If you go to a country in the middle east, and are openly gay, there's a good chance the state will murder you. That's not hyperbole. That's a statement of fact.

Personally, I don't find that tolerable.

When did I ever generalise a whole group of people? I'm not in the slightest. I recently helped organise the wedding of my friend with the wife's father - he (and his daughter) are Muslim and he's one of the most wonderful, warm-hearted, welcoming, generous people I've ever met.

Guess what? He fucking hates a lot of islamic culture and was happier about his daughter marrying a non-muslim. Because he knows that most Muslims unfortunately aren't as progressive as he is.

Over 50% of Muslims in the UK think being gay should be illegal. If you genuinely don't think that's a cultural issue at play then you're crazy, and you're just letting people off with homophobia.

Again. You are not the one who risks death by being yourself. Check your fucking privilege.

While you're debating the finer points of whether it's moral to call out homophobia if the perpetrator of it is Muslim (spoiler - it is, and nobody gets in a huff about saying Catholics or Russian orthodox often hold homophobic views, leading me to believe that you're actually being racist), I'm here in the real world, where I know that some cultures unfortunately have a huge amount of people that want to see me harmed.

Those cultures are not compatible with a free and progressive society.

If they want to be accepted they need to change. And I have zero obligation to be welcoming of them until they do. They want me dead. Get to fuck with that "turn the other cheek" crap. If a culture calls for my destruction, that's not a culture that I'm going to like.