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Alice Cooper Calls Gender-Affirming Care for Trans Kids a ‘Fad,’ Condemns ‘the Whole Woke Thing’
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I still don't understand why the trans thing has suddenly become a "problem." I've known trans people for 30 years. And I knew they existed before that. How the hell did it suddenly go from "Man wear skirt ha ha ha funny" at worst (not that that was good, just that it wasn't what we have now) to "Fad! Groomers! They should die!"
We seem to be lurching as a society to a direction I don't think I can live in.
Because noone cares about homosexuality anymore(it has been mostly normalized), so they need a new target to scream about.
theyve been on this bullcrap since at least 2016 with all the bathroom crap. we shouldnt be demonizing people over this yet here we are where a massive chunk of the population does just that. when i was a kid it was "what if gae in lockerroom?" bullcrap. im sure at this point in my life ive been in a locker room with a gay person and theyve never been a problem. and if they are its that person who is the issue not the entire lgbtq+ community.
It's this. Attacking gay people is no longer acceptable to enough people that conservatives can get away with it as a culture war tact. They've moved onto trans people which is more successful because there's a lot fewer trans people. We're seeing a LOT of bullshit getting flipped around and making people mad about things they didn't use to care about. The drag-hate is a good example. Tons of examples from history where drag is supported and now it's a major battleground? Bullshit. Just another way to find a convenient target for the right to hate.
I would agree with this logic if it wasn't for:
As I said, I've noticed that they didn't care about this until recently. So this isn't a "What marginalized group are we still allowed to be shitty too", this is "Hey, let's pick a group we never cared that much about and treat them the same way reasonable people treat pedophiles". (This I'm spelling out in different words because it was supposed to be implied by my original question but nobody has addressed it)
They're still, STILL, shitting on gays. The groomer crap? That was originally aimed at justifying an anti-LGBT bill (all LGBT, to the point it was described as "Don't say Gay" by many) by a DeSantis spokeswoman, trans people were, at that point, just another target, not a primary target.
I appreciate the optimism here about how oh this is just because they can't be crappy to lots of other groups, but they're still being crappy to the other groups. Transpeople have not replaced gay and poor black people in the Conservative lexicon of "others" that should be blamed for society's ills, they've joined them.
gay and poor black people fight back, they want to target a vulnerable minority group that hasn't been able to fight back yet. as soon as gay and poor black people stop fighting back, they'll be back on the menu.
I said, they haven't stopped shitting on gays and black people.
This is getting to be a very frustrating conversation where each time I ask "OK why have trans people been added" everyone claims to be living in some alternate universe where the Republican party is now nice to black people and gay people and are claiming they've had to switch to trans people because blacks and gays are just too popular.
I'm glad for you that you live in this alternate universe where there you're not seeing racist and homophobic (and sexist) motivated mass shootings in Orlando every few months. I love that in your alternate universe the Republicans are not trying to suppress the black vote and haven't put up blockers to prevent, for example, constitutional amendments aimed at dealing with Jim Crow laws from being effective.
I'd love to fucking live there! Really I would!
Especially as in that world, there never was a "Don't say Gay" law targeted primarily at Gay people that was so major that even a major corporation ended up on "our side" and spoke out against it for one time before going quiet because the Republicans were so unashamed of that law that they removed that corporation's rights to manage infrastructure on its own property, even though that'd raise taxes for the rest of us.
I'm so glad you don't live in that world!
But I do. Which is why I've asked the question multiple times now. It's why, in the comment you responded to, I wrote:
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So obviously this has FUCK ALL to do with black and gay people being able to defend themselves, because if that was the reason, THEY'D HAVE STOPPED FUCKING OVER GAY AND BLACK PEOPLE.
On Earth One, they haven't. Glad to hear that isn't the case in your universe though and the other people responding to me.
Fascists need enemies and the enemy needs to be both small in number and visibly identifiable.
To approach this from a different angle, I would say this is actually an ironically encouraging sign that we are lurching in a good direction. There's always going to be some level of racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc., but those things are mainstream enough that you have to be really hard right to beat the drum for them. It's the kind of thing that might still play in certain areas, and with certain types or demographic, but the mainstream isn't really down with it. Open pro-trans movements and statements are pretty new compared to these other things, so it's just the latest in the succession of what-can-I-hate-up that authoritarian types latched onto. I have a feeling we're lurching -- and pretty quickly -- toward trans becoming more mainstream
Thank you sincerely for this refreshingly positive take. I needed to read it.
And yet here we are and they do. Do you remember how the term "Groomer" appeared? It was the DeSantis administration justifying the "Don't say Gay" bill. That was a bill that, sure, mentioned gender dysphoria in passing, but it was primarily aimed at gay people.
I don't see any evidence at all the Republicans have become less racist or less homophobic. Racism seems no better, maybe worse, than it was in 2008, and as the mainstream Republican establishment has declined, the party seems to have given in to the homophobic grassroots.
None of which really explains though why they've gone from merely laughing at transpeople to turning them into villains, while continuing to demonize the groups they've always done. Perhaps, far from transpeople being the only ones left, they've realized they can get away with scapegoating more groups than they previously have done.
The Tea Party (remember them?) & MAGA have taught the leaders of the conservative movement that they need to constant feed the crazy (that they created) or they'll get dumped for anyone who is better at whipping up fear, hate, and anger.
if they don't want to join Jesus in being called weak and liberal, then they need to constantly demonize some vulnerable minority. POCs, lesbians, and gays are not that vulnerable any more, so whose next? Transgender people! hence the "trans thing has suddenly become a “problem.” "
Terfs (particularly lesbian terfs) are the worst examples, they're bigots desperately trying to get the conservative patriarchial gaze's approval, but without wanting to out themselves as desperatetly wanting conservative patriarchial gaze's approval. Bigoted chucklefucks.