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Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind
they've lived long enough to become the bad guys
Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.
Interesting. I didn't know that. Safari is a piece of shit for other reasons too
Example reason why Safari is shit: It's Safari
Yeah. They selectively adopt web standards years later than the others and the mobile and iPad versions in some ways behave completely differently from desktop (and each other). If safari just acted like the other browsers, frontend web dev would be MUCH easier.
Depends on which standards, for some css functions like backdrop-filters and mix-blend-modes it was years ahead of Firefox, where some of those had to be activated through about:config. I‘m glad Firefox catchend up in the past few years though. Also WebKit accelerated HTML5 adoption a lot.
Never had any major issues developing for Firefox, safari and chrome in the past few years though. It was quite a different story 10 years ago but nowadays 99% of the time, it works flawlessly between all major browsers for me.
I feel like you're referring to Firefox literally 12 years ago or more. I'm talking about today. Literally any brand new standard is not supported for 1-2 years minimum. I run into problems with safari on a near daily basis. I rarely have a weird issue in Firefox. 99% of the time chrome and Firefox behave the same. The vast majority of the time that one browser has an issue others don't, it's safari. It's weird to me to get pushback on this ...
Backdrop filters were introduced with Firefox 103, which was released just 12 months ago. And it was a major pain for me that Firefox was the only browser I had to do workarounds for this function when Safari supported it since 2015 and chrome did since 2019.
Every platform has some problems. But it’s fairly rare for me to run into these nowadays. I still love using Firefox. But just because your experience is different than mine doesn’t mean that mine is outdated. It’s not meant to be a pushback against your comment, just sharing that there had been issues with Firefox in the past as well.
Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good
Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn't allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.
Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.
Source?? Very exciting if true. Haven't heard this before
https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/
I think i heard a more definitive source as well since this one is a few months old that it should be coming with ios17.
Yeah I just googled and found that. Only problem is that it's been 6 months and not a peep since. This is more of a policy piece than software (I think). Any reason why that capability would be tied to an os release?
Apple like to link updates to policy and software to ios updates when they could easily be added anytime. It’s just a thing they do. Maybe so they can tote it as a new feature for developers coming with ios 17
Makes sense. Thanks for your responses!
Duckduckgo will stick with WebKit because they want to keep it native
What about Opera GX? The mobile and Desktop versions.
Opera is fucking evil regardless.
The enshittification of Opera sucks... I used to like them when they had their own Presto rendering engine. I heard Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but it, too, is based on Chromium.
Vivaldi isn't just the spiritual successor, it's built by the guy who made the original Opera. Its baked in Ad and Tracker blocking rival UBO and it has all the features Fox can only hope to barely emulate with Mozilla extensions.
I've got FF loaded up and set up how I like, but I won't be switching over until Vivaldi doesn't perform correctly.
So re-badged Chromium with closed source changes. Dependent on the upstream chromium. Doesnt seem like a good idea to me.
Hah you beat me to it. That's why I said "spiritual," because it's still Chromium under the hood.
How do you know it's dependent? Cant anyone make a fork of the engine?
It isnt a fork though, its just built on top of. Which is probably smarter than a fork, they dont have to do all that other work. It is interesting that the web hints and the user agent now say Chrome in the vavaldi reporting. At least I think it did: search for "what is my user agent" and it will tell you.
I'm not sure I did exactly what you intended but I searched it in the address/search bar and it gives me this output.
"Your user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/114.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/6.1.3035.257"
Wow thats kind of new too. Covering all bases, lol.
At first I thought I did it wrong, since I got an output for basically every browser engine on the market. Does the order matter? I'm just a network engineer I don't know much about systems beyond building hardware and installing/managing Windows and some PnP Linux Distros.
I should have directed you here: https://www.whatsmybrowser.org
or use whatever search result you want for "what browser am i using". It will tell you what I was trying to demonstrate.
No order does not matter, in the first thing we did it simply is announcing that it is capable to handle requests as if it was any of those browsers/versions. This second link is more to to the point.
Still, if you are happy with it, fine. I just find it somewhat depressing/worrysome that there are basically 2 choices no matter what browser you choose: Chrome (or webkit based) and Firefox. That is it. (Well ok or Safari. KHTML based - which was a fork of KDE's Konqueror. )
The more you know
Still chromium underneath, just like the normal opera
:disintigrate.png:
chromium, and not even open source(from what i know)
It is good for privacy, but quality of results has always felt a bit lacking to me
That’s a search engine, chrome and Firefox are the browser. You can use duck duck go from either.
I haven’t heard anything negative about them yet.
I have the duck duck app on my phone, wasn’t sure if it was any different
I just looked it up and you’re right. Looks like they have a browser out now. My mistake.
I believe duck duck go sources their results from Google somehow. For whatever that's worth
DDG aggregates from Yahoo afaik.
And I thought yahoo got it's results from Google too... I probably have no idea though.
This is what DDG has to say about where their results come from:
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/
Spoiler alert: It's not Google or Yahoo.
Interesting. And Wikipedia says yahoo gets it's search data from Bing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search
I'm thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features