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[–] electriccars@startrek.website 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a US citizen living in another country and trying to buy a house, you want me to have to change my citizenship to do this? 0.o I've lived in Japan for the better part of a decade and am trying to buy a property where, hopefully, my wife and I can live for the rest of our lives. Having to become a citizen in Japan (which does not allow other citizenships except in some very specific cases) is a non-starter for me. I need to be able to freely enter and leave the US in case my family have any issues. Why should I be fucked like this?

[–] InfiniteVariables@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They probably mean non-residents instead of non-citizens. Would make more sense that way at least.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

And you could make that non-local residents and it would still work out well. Stop letting foreign and domestic "investors" buy up all the housing in cities they don't live in.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that would be reasonable.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, housing issues and challenges in Japan are likely different than in the US.

If Japanese law required you to be a Japanese citizen in order to buy a home, then yeah, I'd expect you to become a citizen to get a home.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just happen to live in Japan, but you can reverse the countries in my example if it helps. If I were a Japanese citizen living in the US almost 10 years and wanting to just buy a home for my family, I think it's unreasonable to have to give up Japanese citizenship just to get a house in the US. Using my example, I would not give up JP citizenship because I have aging family I need to have unlimited access to in Japan.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, I don't think it's unreasonable to need to go through some form of certification to purchase residential housing.

To use US terms, as those are what I'm familiar with, a greencard would be sufficient, since it would allow you to legally live and work in the country.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would say "valid status of residence/visa" (greencard/permanent residence can be super long processes of over a decade), but yeah that makes sense to me.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just a visa would be too low of a bar, imo. Show you're a permanent resident and planning to stay here.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So if that process takes a decade or more the person can just... go fuck themselves despite any intention of permanently living somewhere? This is especially rough on people who move mid-life. I also don't know if the US has an upper age on mortgages which could basically keep people out of home ownership which can also keep them in a position of less stability.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Young people can't own homes now because we have a lot of corporations and foreign ownership buying them to either rent at exorbitant costs or leave vacant as investments. I don't really care about the hypothetical person who might come over here at some point maybe pinkee swear when folks here are having issues now.

Also, I confirmed with someone who does mortgages that there isn't an upper age limit on getting a mortgage in the US, so that's not a concern.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, this is just dodging the situation. I'm a hardworking, tax-paying person, but fuck me because some other people are doing bad things? That's not good policy. Stopping people living in the country on valid status paying taxes from buying a place to live is asinine.

[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to your comments, you're living and buying property in Japan in order to reside there for the rest of your life, so you're arguing about policies that aren't effecting you and that you're not even a party to.

I guess you can find someone more in tune with Japan's housing market and issues there to discuss the best practices for Japanese laws.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I have known people who have gone through the same thing in the US. I also have family in the US still who very much are impacted by the housing situation there.

This just reeks of "foreigners bad" and possibly racism.

There are many things that can be done other than banning foreigners who haven't yet achieved greencard status but just want to have a place for themselves and their families to live to still achieve that. I don't think you'll find foreigners are the big issue here, and you already mentioned corporations which are a big issue. Attacking foreigners wanting to buy a house is not OK; that's approaching apartheid-level bullshit.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Non-residents, not non-citizens.