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Surprising no one but the mgmt teams…

Unispace found that nearly half (42%) of companies with return-to-office mandates witnessed a higher level of employee attrition than they had anticipated. And almost a third (29%) of companies enforcing office returns are struggling with recruitment. In other words, employers knew the mandates would cause some attrition, but they weren’t ready for the serious problems that would result.

Meanwhile, a staggering 76% of employees stand ready to jump ship if their companies decide to pull the plug on flexible work schedules, according to the Greenhouse report. Moreover, employees from historically underrepresented groups are 22% more likely to consider other options if flexibility comes to an end.

In the SHED survey, the gravity of this situation becomes more evident. The survey equates the displeasure of shifting from a flexible work model to a traditional one to that of experiencing a 2% to 3% pay cut.

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[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 71 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yep, you can't fight basic math.

With a half-hour commute, you're dropping at least $250/mo on gas (more if you use proper mileage calculations and include car insurance costs) and spending an additional 32 hours of your time in unpaid travel for work. If your hourly rate is $15/hr, that means another potential $380 in earnings a month out the door.

Since that $15/hr brings you in $2600 before taxes, that means in this scenario you're spending roughly 10% of your gross income on travel expenses, and losing out on a potential income increase of 14%.

This is why, despite the fact they were a great company I had thought about joining for years, last year I turned down an offer that was a 50% raise from my previously held position.

I got the same amount in an offer from a separate company that enabled work from home, and when I did the math, the value between the two was striking - it was the clear winner, despite the fact that the first company only wanted me to travel across town.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think this is even the full picture, though. The cost savings from working remotely for me have been largely unnoticed (but objectively there).

The real value, for me, has been increased autonomy and freedom from the office culture and overbearing bosses. It was amazing how my managers were suddenly ambivalent about my work performance once they weren't able to constantly observe me at my desk.

[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Definitely - the personal benefits go far beyond the cost savings. Just pointing out that at the end of the day, what they're doing when they ask you to return to the office is asking you to take a very real pay cut and add unpaid hours to your daily schedule.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Also more of you count in car maintenance and potential babysitting for slightly older children who can be alone for a couple hours after school, but are too young to truly be alone.

I also feel like people just get back a lot of time to themselves by not having to commute. My husband gets another hour at least with me and our children every day, maybe an hour and a half. Instead of only seeing them for a quick dinner and getting them ready for bed, they actually have that time to hang out and play. It's things like that, that are invaluable.

[–] _finger_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only way they win this battle is if they cover travel expenses per mile. I’m supposed to spend money to keep your stupid shitbird company afloat? Yeah, get fucked.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

My company is 8 to 5 and on the days I go in office i just spend so much more time doing the unpaid mandatory things that it's just not worth it even for much more pay. Not to mention it's far more exhausting and worse for my mental health to be in an open office surveillance ward rather than a home office

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Traveling has become rather cost-effective. It's alright if it gets covered but what really should get covered is the time it takes to travel. I live relatively close to work, but if I went to office that's an extra 1-2 hours a day I spend specifically for work purposes. The cost of time, at least for me, is significantly higher than the actual cost of travel.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It seems like some people are finally starting to wise up to the fact that work begins not when you arrive at the workplace, but the moment you stop doing what you want to do and start doing what you have to do in order to perform the job. That means it starts before you walk out the door, as soon as you start 'getting ready for work'.

The simplest metric is this: would you be doing it if you were on vacation/weren't working? If yes, then it's not work. If no, then it's work.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is how those "I work 12 hour days" CEOs used to do the math too. Only fair in my eyes.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No $15 hour job is going to be WFH, lol. Maybe $20 or $30/hour at a minimum.

[–] Arotrios@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just an example number for the math. And actually my company has a bunch of customer service reps that work from home at that rate when they start. It's more common than you may think.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Steve in support would like you to know that he wishes to make 15 an hour after a few promotions. And that if you just think about it, getting 50 bucks worth of more services is smarter than cancelling your account.

[–] thundercleese@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is just plain wrong. Tons of call-center workers making minimum wage are working from how now.

Nah, you can get under $20 WFH jobs.