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Warning, this story is really horrific and will be heartbreaking for any fans of his, but Neil Gaiman is a sadistic [not in the BDSM sense] sexual predator with a predilection for very young women.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

In this specific case, it's really difficult because, as the article talks about in the beginning, his stories were often viewed as being feminist (and progressive in other ways), but when you re-read them, you can start getting a sense of the monster that was hiding.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I mentioned this above, I don't think I've ever noticed anything feminist (or even particularly progressive or political at all) in Gaiman's writing. But maybe there's things I missed... Do you know of any examples of him presenting something clearly feminist?

Edit: I see someone post an example below, it's not something I've read.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

if you want to spend time re-reading those books, might I suggest spending that time finding new authors that are more deserving of your time and attention? Yes the books were pretty great; yes this situation is awful.

Just, find new good books.

[–] bawdy@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been a fan of his for a very long time - decades. I enjoyed the dark part of the dark humour and the commentaey on humanity.

He has an excellent book called the sleeper and the spindle. It is a beautifully crafted and illustrated book clearly targeted at young women. It feels like art, and I genuinely celebrate it for what it is, a feminist retelling of Cinderella, where the celebrated main character is....how do I put it - both good, and effective. Not empowered, or brave, or glossy, but competent and certain. It is a version of feminism I see in those pragmatic, excellent women who do valuable, notable and productive things.

I don't see any echoes of a monster any moreso than any fantasy writer who holds up a chipped and scratched mirror to the human condition. And that is the profoundly sad thing here. I believe you can be two things at once and that as a story, without his name attached to it, sleeper and the spindle should be something young people can read and enjoy and make them think a bit differently.

This isn't a shoulder shrug and wave off of his actions. I can't forgive him his cruel treatment of vulnerable people who cared for him, trusted him and wanted to please him. It is abhorrent.

What I'm trying to say is mud and gold come from the same hole.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Well for example, all of the sexual (and other) violence in the 24-Hour Diner part of The Sandman takes on a very different connotation now. Because now I know he's responsible for such things. He was writing from experience.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno, I thought it was pretty fucked up first time around too.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

It was fucked up, but within the context of the comic, it was fucked up because a horrific and insane person was doing it.

Now it turns out, Gaiman was also doing it. But he didn't need magic powers because he had real power.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago

I don’t see any echoes of a monster

I think it's not possible to see that far. Ability to write good stories and ability to maintain ethical behaviour, they're probably unrelated abilities.

For example, Yevgeni Prigozhin actually wrote decent children's stories, but alas, his personal ethics didn't prevent becoming Putin's accomplice with a private military company.