TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — China accused the United States of turning Taiwan into an “ammunition depot” after the White House announced a $345 million military aid package for Taipei, and the self-ruled island said Sunday it tracked six Chinese navy ships in waters off its shores.
China’s Taiwan Affairs Office issued a statement late Saturday opposing the military aid to Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory.
“No matter how much of the ordinary people’s taxpayer money the ... Taiwanese separatist forces spend, no matter how many U.S. weapons, it will not shake our resolve to solve the Taiwan problem. Or shake our firm will to realize the reunification of our motherland,” said Chen Binhua, a spokesperson for the Taiwan Affairs Office.
“Their actions are turning Taiwan into a powder keg and ammunition depot, aggravating the threat of war in the Taiwan Strait,” the statement said.
China’s People’s Liberation Army has increased its military maneuvers in recent years aimed at Taiwan, sending fighter jets and warships to circle the island.
On Sunday, Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said it tracked six Chinese navy ships near the island.
Taiwan’s ruling administration, led by the Democratic Progressive Party, has stepped up its weapons purchases from the U.S. as part of a deterrence strategy against a Chinese invasion.
China and Taiwan split amid civil war in 1949, and Taiwan has never been governed by China’s ruling Communist Party.
Unlike previous military purchases, the latest batch of aid is part of a presidential authority approved by the U.S. Congress last year to draw weapons from current U.S. military stockpiles — so Taiwan will not have to wait for military production and sales.
While Taiwan has purchased $19 billion worth of weaponry, much of it has yet to be delivered to Taiwan. Washington will send man-portable air defense systems, intelligence and surveillance capabilities, firearms and missiles to Taiwan.
Come on, mate. People love to trot this one out as some kind of 'both sides' bullshit as well. They conveniently forget to mention that the CCP has written into law that they will invade immediately if Taiwan makes that declaration.
That law was only written in 2005, what about the 50 years before it?
Either way we know what people's opinions are within Taiwan. They certainly don't want unification, but they do want to maintain the status quo:
The "independence as soon as possible" crowd is almost as small as the "unification as soon as possible" crowd for being similarly out of their minds. And even all the bullshit that has been happening has not drastically changed people's views. There was a brief "move towards independence" bump for a while between 2018 and 2020 but it has been declining as a result of the US' involvement being too overt, it has been causing people to see it as something the US wants instead of something that's good for them or something they want. More and more people are seeing it as the US interfering.
If a referendum happened for this. Independence would absolutely not win.
And since they also don't want "unification" you are absolutely against China attempting to invade Taiwan, and any aggressive actions like shooting missiles into waters near Taiwan, or threatening invasion, right?
I am for the status quo but won't be surprised if this constant interference from the US pushes them to end the matter permanently. It has been fine up until the US took an interest in it as part of the latest round of great power conflict. I won't be happy about it, but I will understand what caused it.
Lmao. Fuck no. The US involvement there was global imperialism trying to cling to its colonial holdings.
A more accurate example would be the Cuban missile crisis. And yes I 100% get why the Americans had a problem with it.
So the Chinese invasion of Vietnam is obviously also a bad thing that must be denounced and not just solemnly understood and accepted, right?
There was no Chinese invasion of Vietnam until the sino-vietnam war that occurred years after the Vietnam war(civil war) in which China made the horrendous historical mistake of supporting the Khmer Rouge, but this itself was somewhat complicated. China had committed to protecting Cambodia, but Cambodia had a lot of fucky people on the border that were repeatedly invading Vietnam and performing pogroms and mass murders, not respecting their territorial integrity. This went on for far too long and Vietnam in order to protect themselves from Cambodia invaded Cambodia, doing a regime change. China launched their short-lived 1 month invasion in response to this as part of their commitment to their horrendously chosen ally, this is murky waters and not exactly a spontaneous invasion.
Not really sure what you're going for here.
Just one final question.
You obviously don't support Japan taking back the Kuril Islands from a weakened Russia and aren't happy about it, but obviously you understand what caused it and why it had to happen, right?
I'm not familiar enough with this one to form an opinion, I'm not in the habit of holding opinions without proper investigation first and placing of things in their historical context, I can't really do that right now I'm afraid. We're both fortunate that for your previous questions I'm already fairly well read on to be honest.
So, maybe? Maybe not? lol. Aren't these islands where the Ainu were from? They probably should be in control of the indigenous peoples so neither, but that's unrealistic if they're basically gone now. I'm probably saying something culturally incentive in my ignorance of the subject though.
It's very interesting how territorial disputes over basically uninhabited islands is too culturally insensitive to make conclusions on, but China invading and suppressing Taiwan harming millions in the process is an understandable certainty that doesn't warrant condemnation.
I wonder why that is. 🤔
Huh? No it's not cultural insensitivity preventing me from having an opinion on that, it's having very little contextual knowledge.
Why are you saying something that I did not say? The part that was probably culturally insensitive was clearly the part about indigenous people owning the island, I have no idea what they want, whether that's true, or whether nationalism is even compatible with their culture.
You are doing the thing people do on reddit where they ignore what someone actually writes and then substitute it with the worst possible interpretation that you want to attack. You're really not having a conversation with me in good faith are you? The hostility is entirely unnecessary, childish even.
But you do have an idea what the Taiwanese want, and it isn't a Chinese invasion, so why aren't you condemning China for their hostile actions and threatening behavior?
Are we going to go around in circles here? Because the drum beating is being driven by the foreign interference. If the US steps back from trying to interfere with it politically then there will no longer be any need to beat the drums. In the preceding 50 years there was basically no problem because the US had a largely pro-China policy and wasn't interfering. This didn't start spontaneously without material conditions that drive it.
Which is again much like my understanding of why the US beat its drums when the USSR interfered with Cuba. I don't condemn the US for drum beating over that event (despite my obvious distaste for the US and support for Cuba), its extremely obvious what caused it and it's extremely obvious what is causing this.
So obviously a full US invasion of Cuba would not only have been understandable, but also justified? Just like all the assassination attempts on Castro were understandable and justified?
Who said I want an invasion to happen? Drum beating and invasion are very different things. I would like the US to fuck off and mind its own business as it is causing all of this. The result of which achieves avoiding both of the above.
You clearly don't support that though? Which makes me question whether you're actually committed to avoiding war or whether your real interest here is in advancing US interests.
OK, you "won't be happy about it" but will "understand why it happened". Do you feel the same way about a US invasion of Cuba, and the assassination attempts on Castro? You just wanted the Soviet Union to fuck off and mind its own business?
Yes?
With that said there was some more context there. The USSR sought to deploy missiles in Cuba because the US was deploying them in Turkey. Missiles were removed from Turkey and everything chilled out.
You can't end these things without addressing all of the causes. Do you or do you not think the US should stop interfering? If you don't, then you aren't really trying to stop this you're just trying to advance US interests. Trying to stand on the moral high ground while supporting the cause.
That's good. I didn't think you would be able to denounce the imperialism of the Soviet Union.
I don't want the Taiwanese to be subjugated by the Chinese, and I know that they don't want to either, so I support any actions that allow Taiwan to remain independent.
I don't want a Chinese invasion, but I also wouldn't want a US invasion of Cuba or the assassination of Fidel Castro.
Oh fuck off lmao. USSR putting missiles in Cuba wasn't imperialism what fucking planet are you on? Do you know what imperialism bloody is mate? Read.
Didn't read further. This is pointless. I'm going to assume you don't want the US to stop.
I want the US to stop invading other countries just like I want Russia and China to stop invading other countries.
Funny how US imperialism is always bad while Soviet/Chinese imperialism is just "missing context", provoked, justified, or just papered over with lies like "they were really gentle in their occupation".
Can you name even one instance of Soviet or Chinese imperialism that was, in your opinion, as bad as something the US has done? Not forced upon them by history or made bad by propaganda, just straight up them being bad imperialists.
I don't know about the fifty years before twenty years ago man, what about it? Taiwan had only been a democracy for less than 10 years at that point, a lot has changed.
The 'want independence asap' is almost 3x the 'want unification asap' crowd so I wouldn't call them almost the same. As we've already discussed, Taiwan has a gun to it's head, so it's not surprising that the majority of people want some flavour of the status quo.
I'd be interested to know what makes you think any changes are due to peoples reactions to 'U.S interference', as you put it. It seems to me a lot of things have happened in the last few years.
All in all, it looks to me like the overwhelming majority of folks want to keep their independence, continue to live their lives, vote for their government and all the usual things that come from being your own people and living in your own country. The rest of the discussion can only revolve around semantics which I don't think is really productive.
Appreciate you actually bringing the views of the Taiwanese folks into this btw. That's something that gets left out far too often in these discussions.
What I care about most on the majority of issues is what people want. Despite the name of our system being "democracy" we don't usually tend to get what we want though, I don't think the majority of people want to start a war. Or want a child labour. Or want no healthcare. No rights. Blah blah blah. It would be nice if democracy produced democratic outcomes, rather than the outcome that most benefits one particular class.