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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you must vote and vote for the “correct” party then you don’t have a democracy.

"Democracy is when I like the choices my fellow citizens make, and if I don't like it, it's not democracy"

Holy fucking shit. This is "Democracy is when GOOD, and non-democracy is when BAD" level reasoning.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You beat that strawman, go on. I heard it talk shit.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"If my practical choices are reduced by the preferences of my fellow citizens, it's not real democracy"

Go on, tell me about how it's only democracy if your preferred candidate is within striking distance of victory.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope that's not what I said either.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope that’s not what I said either.

If you must vote and vote for the “correct” party then you don’t have a democracy.

Considering that the discussion was not in the context of Aussie-style forced voting, nor legally restricted election choices, but in that voting for anyone other than the Dems in this election was the action of a total cretin, there's no other realistic interpretation of your words unless we're presuming that you spoke without any connection to the matter at hand, and were just spewing out random thoughts with no relevance to any context in this post or comment thread.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The statement stands on it's own. If you must vote for a party then you don't have a democracy. Even if the ruling class is benevolent and lets you believe you have a choice, it's still not a democracy.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The statement stands on it’s own. If you must vote for a party then you don’t have a democracy.

I'm sorry, were we rounding up people with our Dem paramilitaries and forcing them into the Voting Fields(tm)?

"The statement stands on its own"; no, it's dribble that you refuse to assign any meaning to, because that would mean having a position that could be addressed instead of vagueposting.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Or, it's basic democratic principle that shouldn't need explaining in a western country.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The basic democratic principle of "If there's only one moral choice, Party A, because a supermajority of people support either Party A or the very immoral Party B, it's not REAL democracy, which would suit MY ideals, not that of those filthy unwashed masses!"

I think you might want to use a term other than 'democracy' for your sentiment.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No. You're mad because people didn't like your choice, and more people liked the other choice. But that's what a democracy is. Nobody working in good faith promised you that democracy would always live up to the greatest human rights and global trade ideals.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No. You’re mad because people didn’t like your choice, and more people liked the other choice. But that’s what a democracy is. Nobody working in good faith promised you that democracy would always live up to the greatest human rights and global trade ideals.

So now you're reversing your position, and admitting that it is a democracy. Great. Peak consistency. Fucking ridiculous.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

What am I reversing? The Democrats didn't convince people to vote for them.