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When democrats lose: "We could've had a utopia if you had simply voted for us!"
When democrats win: crickets
"We could have averted fascism" is "utopia" now?
Funny, but considering that you repeatedly insisted that you didn't give a fuck how many Americans and Palestinians have to die to satisfy your urge for political purity in the run-up to the election, unsurprising.
Like how biden winning in 2020 averted fascism? Also, don't make things up about me, I did not insist any such thing.
Yes, if you will remember, we were not under a fascist regime in 2020-2024. I understand that's a hard thing for bougie middle-class kids to understand, but some of us actually have to deal with the government in our day-to-day lives.
This comment chain where you cheerfully opine that an intensified Palestinian genocide doesn't matter because it's all the same destination anyway you?
Interesting how both republicans and democrats call each other fascists. Seems like everyone hates fascism!
But of course you must be right, america surely paused all of their fascist activity from 2020 to 2024. Biden is so stronk what would we do without him holding back the fascist flood?
Prepare yourself for a shock- the Nazis called themselves socialists and the North Koreans call their country a democratic republic.
Sometimes some people use words properly and sometimes other groups of people use those words improperly for propaganda reasons.
But I'm sure that can't possibly be the case here. It's not like you can legitimately call an incoming administration literally working out the details in putting up concentration camps right now fascist. Not one where the incumbent president is literally promising to be a dictator.
I just don't see the fascism connection there, do you?
Or maybe things aren't black and white like that, and labelling things as fascist isnt very useful right now.
Both parties do horribly awful stuff to both american citizens and people from around the world.
Also trump didnt takeover, he won an election. Trump represents america whether you like it or not. Its funny how people outside america aren't nearly as surprised he won.
Hitler won his election too. And twice as well. I'm not sure why that makes it okay or Trump not a fascist.
No he didnt, he lost and was later appointed chancellor by the winner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1932_German_federal_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1932_German_federal_election
Hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933.
He then won yet another election that same year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/adolf-hitler-is-named-chancellor-of-germany
Please explain how 1933 comes before 1932.
Never mind figured it out. Good job, or whatever.
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-or-fiction-adolf-hitler-won-an-election-in-1932/a-18680673
He was not elected to president or chancellor however. Feel free to read the above post as you, as always, throw nuance to the wayside for brevity.
That’s because it’s not an elected position. What are you going to reveal to me next, that the UK Prime Minister Kier Starmer wasn’t elected prime minister?
Germany didn’t work like that and still doesn’t.
Not every country is the U.S., believe it or not.
Then how is that relevant to bring up when talking about an elected position like the US president? Who appointed trump president again? Is it the american people?
You:
Me:
Then you got into a whole bullshit thing where you pretended that wasn’t true.
You might try some memory exercises or something, but you’re welcome for the refresher.
Cool, and you never try to understand anyone else's point. Have you considered working as a lawyer?
What do you think "fascism" is? Like, this line of argument worked ten years ago because people didn't know what the fuck they were looking at, but now? NOW?!
Not everyone jumps to conclusions as quickly as you, its not a race do see who can declare something fascist as prematurely as possible.
Maybe if y'all could connect the dots better more democrats would have voted.
Dude, it's been 25 years of fascist creep in the US government. How much longer do you want to wait before "Jump[ing] to conclusions"?
Jumping to conclusions is about claiming things are or will happen without reason. You could be right and jump to a conclusion at the same time.
I will say this election didnt change who America is as a country though.
"Not electing a fascist stops fascism from being elected" may be a shocking revelation to you, but I assure you, most people understand this. It could have been a potato that was elected, so long as it wasn't a fascist potato.
Sure, I'm the murderer and not Biden who even bypassed congress to send billions in direct support of a genocide. Somehow you think that monster was moderate in his support of genocide.
Wow, there can only be one murderer in existence at a time? There are a lot of world leaders who will be thrilled to hear this.
You contributed to the genocide of the West Bank. Give yourself a blood-stained hand. You deserve it. 👏
How did I contribute to genocide by voting for Harris? By telling people online the obvious fact that democrats don't give a shit about the Palestinians either? Decades of history prove my point, as does the treatment of protestors by the democrats during this election cycle, and then the mockery of those same protestors by democrats apparently thinking their relatives deserve to be slaughtered for wrong-voting (even though they weren't anywhere close to enough to turn the election on their own).
Meanwhile you're defending democrats on all this and that makes you the good guy, I guess.
You mean how you repeatedly said that voting for Harris was unconscionable on the grounds of genocide?
Either that was bullshit, or you claiming to vote for Harris was bullshit.
Or your worldview is so utterly confused that you can't keep more than two thoughts going at the same time.
You mean when you literally and explicitly played apologist for Muslim-American Trump voters who voted for Trump on the belief that he would be better for Gaza than Harris?
Like, holy fucking shit, you just defend anyone who isn't a 'shitlib', don't you? By 2028, I fully expect to see you throating Trump's boot against the Demonrat menace.
Yes, defending Democrats is when you acknowledge that voters are responsible for their votes; how fucking horrible and intrinsic to the Democratic Party.
You'll do anything to flee from responsibility.
I've already quoted you on two things you've denied, we're really gonna make it three for three?
Oh, we were 'gleeful at them having their relatives killed' because we thought Muslim-Americans voting for Trump on the issue of GAZA was an incredibly stupid decision, and weren't willing to asspat them for it like you were? Funny how you're always eager to asspat everything that furthers genocide, but never anything that actually restricts it.
Funny thing is, I remember that thread - we were both participants, after all - and in that thread, sympathy for the actual victims of the genocide was clearly, repeatedly, and explicitly stated. But that doesn't fit your narrative of "SHITLIBS BAD", so you find a more pleasing imagining of the situation, huh?
Of course, no self-reflection for you about how constantly beating the "GENOCIDE JOE GENOCIDE JOE HE IS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE, IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF HIM" drum without context could possibly affect low-information voters. But sure, talk more about how it's totally understandable to vote for Trump over the issue of Gaza, maybe next time, you can convince twice as many folk to vote in favor of genocide by telling them how wholesome and valid voting for genocide is.
Keep killing minorities. It seems to be the only thing you're passionate about.
Considering you've already played apologist for Trump voters multiple times? It's not much of a leap. #remindme4years or whatever it is.
When the ever-loving fuck did I say they weren't responsible?
Jesus fucking Christ, this stupid position of "You can't blame voters! It's the DEMOCRATS' FAULT!", other than being an utterly servile and bootlicking view of governance and citizenship that strips voters of moral agency, ignores the possibility of there being more than one guilty party in a fucking disaster. It's positively childlike.
Voters are responsible for making the best decision possible for the polity; we are not absolved of the choice of inaction just because we throw a temper tantrum and insist that if Israel is going to slaughter Palestinians, American minorities should get slaughtered too, and Ukrainians as well - and that Israel should get more money for their genocide of Palestinains. But you don't give a fuck about any of that.
Democracy is not a state of existence, its a process that needs to be constantly maintained, and requires eternal vigilance.
You do know 'averted' doesn't mean 'avoided happening forever until the sun engulfs the Earth' right?
Perhaps your standards are low, but I don't count keeping the seat warm for one presidential term as averting anything. Biden could've picked an AG that actually pursued prosecution of Trump, but instead he put in milquetoast Garland who sat with his thumbs up his ass the entire time.
Then you don't know what 'averting' means. When you avert your eyes, do you look away and not look back again for an hour?
My bad, I thought the goal was to fight fascism, not merely put a short pause on it. I suppose taking a one minute break between eating shit is better than continually eating shit, but I'd rather not be eating shit.
And yet, curiously, you continuously argue for the equivalence of eating shit and any amount of time spent not eating shit.
How am I doing that by arguing we should be putting pressure on democrats (our only seemingly pliable party in this two-party system) to actually fight fascism?
This you?
Yes, that is me. What's wrong with anything I've said? I'm pointing out the reality that democrats have been full-throatedly supporting the genocide. If you think we can't do any better than that, then how do you think the genocide ends?
That's literally you saying you see no difference between [bad thing] and [any amount of time not spent doing bad thing because it will resume].
Like, this isn't complex. I'd ask how you aren't getting it, but I already know that you completely lack intellectual honesty. Not even two fucking comments and you've already pretended to forget the question you asked for evidence for.
When democrats win: ~~crickets~~ "We didn't win enough so I'm afraid our hands are tied."
Funny thing is they never win enough. Even when they win a majority, magically enough members switch sides to cancel any possibility of progress. It's like a rigged carnival game, but you think that if we simply adjusted our aim we could certainly get the ball in the hole. It's crafted to look like you have a chance when you really don't.
I always took crickets coming out of the political arena to be a positive. I want my politicians to shut the fuck up and govern, thank you very much.
I wish they would govern, but all they do is the bidding of lobbyists and then loudly proclaim that they are defending democracy or freedom or whatever.
That makes no sense. Government changes your life, so why keep it secret?