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Plans are being made to freeze the conflict by sending 100,000 foreign troops to the country, according to the SVR

The West is secretly planning to occupy Ukraine and freeze the conflict with Russia by deploying tens of thousands of supposed peacekeepers to the country, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) has said.

In a statement on Friday, the spy agency cited intelligence sources as saying that NATO is increasingly in favor of halting the hostilities along the current front line, as the US-led military bloc and Ukraine have come to realize that they are failing to inflict a “strategic defeat” on Russia.

Freezing the conflict would allow the West to rebuild the shattered Ukrainian military and “prepare it for an attempt at revenge,” the SVR stated. It further claimed that NATO is already setting up training centers to process at least one million Ukrainian conscripts.

“To solve these tasks, the West will need to essentially occupy Ukraine. Naturally, this will be done under the guise of deploying a ‘peacekeeping contingent’ in the country… According to the plan, a total of 100,000 so-called peacekeepers will be deployed in Ukraine.”

According to the SVR, the plan would also involve Ukraine being partitioned into four large occupation zones. Romania would take the Black Sea coast, Poland would control Western Ukraine, and the UK would occupy the north, including Kiev. The central and eastern parts of the country would be taken by Germany, the agency claimed.

The SVR also alleged that Germany plans to revive practices implemented by the Nazi regime during World War II to “police” Ukraine. In particular, Berlin wants to create special “death squads” made up of Ukrainian nationalists to maintain order in the occupied territory, the statement read.

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[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

There’s gotta be alternatives to your three. I think the most overlook is Russia opening a new front in Africa via proxy that forces the West to act due to economic considerations. Getting the West to overextend is the name of the game right now.

I just don't see any. The chance to alter the west's calculation and prevent this deployment must occur before it starts. It must occur with some strike like I mention elsewhere like in the middle east that successfully sends the west a message to back off.

They do not have the resources for this fight. The west would out-compete and logistics them laughably easy. The west considers Africa important to suppress and control and exploit but I'm not sure they actually care to fight a war there. Unlike the middle east which is part of the grand chessboard's triangle of strategic control through which you prevent unified land powers as it's the crossroads of Asia+Russia+Europe+Africa.

Let's recall the US has hundreds of thousands of troops stationed around the world. They're an empire. They have bases with troops, aircraft, intelligence, naval assets in different oceans. Russia has some mercenaries that tried to revolt against the government not long ago.

There's also the consideration that Georgia is in the middle of a western backed color revolution attempt that's continuing to burn and Russia needs to keep some forces in reserve to go in and deal with that if it happens and the west is trying to make it happen to open another front and put more pressure on Russia to increase their own odds.

Another option is to state that peacekeepers are combatants and then warn and then obliterate the first delivery of peacekeepers to prevent more from coming in.

They don't care. They tried to warn them about their special forces and other personnel, they target them when they can but they're not inflicting losses in meaningful enough numbers for the west to care. Their intelligence is just so super that they can find and selectively eliminate them. I mean, the Russians have been CONSTANTLY since the beginning doing these warnings of "western troops, special forces, instructors, mechanics, mercenaries are valid military targets" and it hasn't dissuaded the west in the least because Russia cannot kill enough of them to impact their readiness or cause trouble at home from the body count.

Also this presumes Russian threats carry any weight. The very nature of the west undertaking this action shows they have absolute contempt for Russian words and do not believe they translate to actual actions. That they believe Russia will blink first. The west would shrug at this like it's shrugged at all the other threats before every escalation which has inevitably resulted in nothing but more angry words and their Ukrainian fodder getting hit a little harder for a bit.

Once there are 100k troops in Ukraine, there is a huge problem, so let’s assume Russia will use hypersonics on landing areas and personnel infrastructure.

Russia has better production capacity than the west for things like artillery and conventional shells and such but these advanced weapons require a lot of work. They can out-produce the west on this too but that doesn't mean a lot when their production best still won't give them enough to use them to the extent you're probably envisioning. They'd need much more production and launch capacity to suppress numbers this large using conventional weapons.

Frankly this gets back to the old NATO playbook to use tactical nuclear weapons on Soviet tank columns in a hypothetical war because they were just too numerous to have any prayer of taking them out using any other method given their advantage in numbers.

Russian intelligence is sadly not anywhere near where the west is. You'd need total visibility in real time and understanding of what boats and planes and trains are coming and going where and what's in them to have a hope of using such weapons effectively to take out groups of western soldiers and frankly the west isn't likely to tell Putin the first ships are on their way full of troops. He'll find out after the first deployments which will probably happen simultaneously via rail, road, air, and potentially sea.