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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

My doctor told me the best way to heal my back was to take a few weeks off work. She didn't understand why I was laughing my ass off, till I reminded her that most people don't get paid time off. Doctors kinda live on the moon in terms of what the rest of us can get

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Move to a developed country and find out that most people get paid leave.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Canadian. Most people here do not

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

I'm Canadian. I mostly do.

Unless I'm actually off on a medical leave, then maybe not. IDK.

All I'm trying to say is that my employer is actually not bad. Almost every other job I've had, has been some variation of bad.

Also, on medical leave, you qualify for EI where I am, so it's kind of paid. Honestly not worth the hassle for a couple of weeks, but anything taking months or more, it's better than a kick in the privates.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I used to do IT for a hospital and the doctors were the most coddled mfers I've ever dealt with in my life. I would regularly get calls in the middle of the night or the weekend to fix one of their dictation software. Like... Just type, ffs.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

While working at the hospital I met many a young doctor. Extremely smart when it comes to their field, but they seem to lack the most basic common sense about something as easy as rebooting a computer. They're also messier than my 13 year old kid. Their private offices always look like messy dorm rooms

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Hi, I'm a young doctor who was raised by competent parents. My office is tidy, and I know how to use basic computer programs. I just installed a new SSD yesterday on my home desktop and I can type 100 wpm. I realize that's not very impressive, but just FYI we're not "always" totally incompetent and immature.

[–] beneeney@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As someone who currently works in Healthcare IT, the dictation thing is so true ... It's literally the end of the world to them if they can't dictate, and have to use their fingers and - gasp, a keyboard! The horror!

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 6 days ago

It's ridiculous. I've watched them use it and it's definitely slower than I can type and I'm not even a great typist. Especially considering their EMR system has a tool to create macros for things they need to type out and they can just fill in the blanks. They don't have time to type but they have time to throw a tantrum and not do anything while dictation isn't working.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To heal your back, just take 2 weeks off to starve. Yes that will help.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 6 days ago

Less weight for your back to support.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (7 children)

most people don’t get paid time off

WTF really? I know workers get fucked really bad in the US, but do most people not get time off at all?

[–] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Some places combine sick time and vacation into “PTO”, others the accrual is so pitiful you’re lucky if you get a week’s worth of time off in a year.

My fiancé’s place of work is both of these things. She got really sick in August and burned through her PTO in a week, then had to go to work despite still being sick

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

I was the IT guy for a company in Georgia (USA). Despite the fact I was the only IT guy and handled our SQL databases/Exchange/AD/firewalls/etc (all the way down to punching down new phonelines for headsets going back to the dialer), I recieved 0 days PTO (sick time or other). I was paid $15.50/hr and dealt with insane shit that made me question my morals, but when it's do thing x or not feed your son, you'll do some stuff.

Thankfully I don't work there anymore, but yeah, if time off isn't mandatory, a lot of companies don't offer it.

[–] bestagon@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (10 children)

You seriously haven’t heard us complaining? Most people get something but a few weeks is unheard of. I think most people I know who even get pto have a little over a week/year between personal and sick days

[–] Grilipper54@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It took forever to get a corporate job but both corporate roles I've had provide decent PTO. Current job has 3 weeks PTO+ accrued sick time. The pay isnt good but at least I get time off.

Other people I know in more corporate roles have similar pto but without the accrued sick time. The only time I didn't get PTO was when I was working minimum wage jobs.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

From a European perspective, 3 weeks isn't good. 24 days is the legal minimum where I live. 30 is standard.
I got lucky and found a job with 42, and sick days aren't counted against those.
It's honestly hard to take them sometimes. Not due to pushback from the employer, but because you have to find 42 days without fixed appointments.

But if you don't take your PTO, you are forced to by your team leader, otherwise the company can get in trouble.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

Ahh, workers rights... Sounds dreamy

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[–] EvolvedTurtle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As an american Paid time off almost sounds like a myth

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It exists but it is usually pretty slim. Usually works out to be 2 weeks a year or something, which if you have a family and go to regular doctors appointments as advised, by the time your done... No more time for an actual vacation.

The average person is supposed to go to the dentist twice a year, the doctor once, a dermatologist once, the gynecologist once. If Anything is wrong, like a cavity.. you need another trip. So we are up to at least 6 half days off there.

So let's say another 3 for the kids. 2 dentists, and 1 physical whether it be for general health or for sports. (Vaccinations? All that jazz). Now any parent would know we are undershooting these numbers by a lot, as we haven't talked at all about a kid getting sick yet.

Parents/Grandparents need a ride to the doctor once or twice, assuming you divy it out over multiple kids. Maybe one breaks a hip and needs physical therapy your fucked.

Note none of this has included a single day that is ever considered to be a vacation, just half days and rushing around and trying to get back to work.

If somehow you get through all of this, what many people do is take their last couple hours of free time to fly to where their in laws are to celebrate Christmas or some shit. Which is why there is so much animosity surrounding the holidays. It is the last time that someone may have to spend to relax, and they end up spending it with others who all don't want to be making large extravagant meals, putting up and taking down decorations nor spending money they didn't have in the first place, to waste time figuring out some gift they feel obligated to give to someone that yes they care about, but really is obstructing their last few moments where they could actually take a vacation and relax.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

This is completely unsustainable on a societal level.

[–] Legom7@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The minimum for New York is 40 hours of sick time a year that has to be earned. This had to be fought for.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sick time allowance is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard as an European, if you are sick you are sick until you are not sick, it's not the company that decides when you are cured.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's bad policy too, it encourages people to go to work while ill, spreading illness along their workmates

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I had a boss that would send you immediately home if you came to work with a visible cold, he would say I rather have one person home now than have the whole office sick in the coming weeks

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[–] boyi@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's American problem, I suppose. In the UK and even the 3rd world country like mine, we were paid at least 2 weeks off when working full-time.

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I knew that there wasn't any nationally mandated PTO, but I assumed that most of you had some in your contracts individually or union...FFS America, what are you doing!!!

In NZ we get 4 weeks/year and 10 days sick leave. Most companies have allowance for a couple of mental health days also, some even pay those days.

There is also bereavement leave, of up to 3 days. Parental leave of 26 weeks, your employer has to keep your job open for you to return to after the 26 weeks.

Source

Side note: we are full, don't come here. Actually we get left off maps, and we like it like that.

[–] MacGuffin94@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Oh you sweet sweet summer child. Here in the US we traded unions and labor protection for an extra $20 a week and rugged individualism.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

Yeah but without the extra money

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

You're getting an extra $20?

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 5 points 6 days ago

I have a corporate job with a very large company. Interact with CTO and other executives occasionally.

If I take off, I don't get paid. And they can fire me whenever.

And the state they operate out of doesn't have unemployment money left to pay when that happens so you better have money in the bank.

At least I have basic health care I can't use that I pay $300 a month for.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

most of you had some in your contracts individually or union

Lol, we don't do contracts for most positions, either!

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 days ago

What kind of hellscape are guys running over there.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Most companies have PTO of some kind, but there's not a lot of real enforcement and whatever rules there are vary state-to-state, a situation I'm sure is about to get much, much worse with an administration coming promising to gut or destroy federal agencies.

Most established companies usually only offer a week or two of PTO a year, and this includes sick-time and sometimes holidays, so if you want to take Christmas and new years off, some companies force you to spend your PTO days on it. Many times if you don't use your PTO it just expires at end of the year and doesn't accumulate, they wouldn't want anyone saving up and taking a few weeks off while being paid. Most Americans manage to swing a handful of 3-day or 4-day weekends a year, and that's the extent of our down-time or escape from work.

[–] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I actually am not sure what folks are talking about. Even in the most soul crushing places I've worked, the bosses still (reluctantly) give PTO. I've worked all over the USA from retail to military to Mom n pop shop etc, PTO has never been "do I get PTO?" It's "how much PTO do I get?"

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