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I actually think it was Russia pushing a lot of this again. It's exactly what they did to us Bernie supporters the last time we got the trump
This is what I’ve been saying all along. The Abandon Harris movement was orchestrated to disillusion voters and make them stay home. Just like what happened with Bernie bros.
The logic of it was completely flawed. And every argument about how strategic voting is important under first-past-the-post, and how Trump would certainly be a worse choice on the subject of Israeli genocide, was met with “maybe you can support genocide, but I can’t.” Which didn’t address the issue at hand at all.
Our country is full of rubes of all shapes, sizes, and colors. Some fall for Trump’s rhetoric and vote for him, others fall for shit like this and don’t vote.
All Russia did was push a narrative. The people that chose to believe it over unbiased news sources, friends and family, republicans, and their own eyes and ears watching Trump are fucking idiots.
I think we should really stop blaming Russian propaganda and focus on blaming ourselves. There's too large a portion of the US population who lap up easily refuted news and opinions. Russia didn't make Americans stupid we did. Russia didn't divide America, its been divided since its creation.
I think there is plenty of blame to go around. In fact, I think the problem since the election has been that people refuse to admit that. As if there has to be one single entity you can point your finger at to blame everything on.
And certainly don't consider yourself culpable in any way, shape or form.
I mean I consider myself culpable and I voted for Harris. But I also didn't do anything to convince any of my neighbors to do it. I never phone banked or anything.
And yet somehow the "don't vote for Harris because genocide" people think they have absolutely nothing to do with people not voting for Harris and it's certainly not their fault in any way that she lost.
There is always a bunch of relevant factors in the outcome of a national election. It's the job of the candidate to overcome those hurdles. If they don't, then they were the wrong candidate. It's not about blame, it's about how we do better next time.
I'd much prefer that Harris won, but it does warm my heart a bit that the Democratic establishment got fucked for their manipulation of the 2020 primary and subsequent forcing of a Harris run. If we are talking blame, then that's where it belongs. Fuck the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the DNC corporate lineup.
What next time?
All of you people who have been saying that the Democrats need to learn their lesson for next time need to come to terms with the fact that come January, you will be living in a fascist dictatorship.
Until the next election is cancelled, I will be working under the assumption that it will happen. Fuck that defeatist crap.
Have fun with that. I won't be with you to wait and see if that happens. There's a reason that there's almost no one on the German side of my family tree.
Yeah, Germany is a model worth considering, but so is Brazil. Autocrats aren't consistently capable of cementing their rule. Do what works for you, but I intend to stay and fight.
That's not what I was talking about when I said there's almost no one on the German side of my family tree.
I understood. My point was that there is no similar link related to the autocratic regime of Bolsonaro. Autocrats can often be defeated electorally even once they gain power. I think the situation in the US is closer to Balsonaro in Brazil than Hitler in Germany.