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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's not democratic from a person level, but it is more democratic from a state level. At the time they hadn't quite figured out if they wanted to be a country or a collection of states that sometimes work together.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Democracy is a system of government whose power is vested by the people (“demos”). Notice that the Senate does not legislate on behalf of people. Instead, it represents the interests of arbitrary often unpopulated land masses. It is as stupid as it sounds and the exact opposite of democracy.

One of the main arguments by Senate proponents during the US founding was that democracy was unacceptable. “Government by the people for the people? What gives these people the right…” etcetera. If you want quotes I’ll dig them up, but that’s the vibe.

“Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either. […]

No. In fact, two democracies have never gone to war with each other. Why would they?

Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes, and no man's life or property will be secure." - John Adams (1807)

Ah, redistribution of wealth and moral progress, terrifying. In case it’s not obvious from these pathetic quotes, John Adams was a moron.

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Guess I should have said, it's not democratic it's Republican. And the question being what should legislature represent. I'm curious how the EU works as a governing body, is there proportional representation? Or does each county get an equal vote. Sorry for my ignorance.

Also yeah John Adams is a bit of a baffoon there.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The EU uses the 'd'Hondt method' which is a mathematical formula for proportional representation systems.

This is the opposite of the US senate.

It’s important to note that there’s no distinction between a democracy and a republic: a republic just is a type of (representative) democracy.

The United States is a republic, true, but there are aspects of our government that are undemocratic and vulnerable to corruption. The Senate is one of these aspects. The Supreme Court is another, so is the electoral college, and the influence of money, and the enormous power of the chief executive.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The first two political parties were formed around that very debate.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Too bad Jefferson didn't rap.

Just had that fever.