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[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yep. Lack of format support is usually to blame on the one who doesn't support the format. You can absolutely blame Apple for this too though, their apps can't open e.g. Matroska video or FLAC.

And perplexingly, they don't support uploading HEIC, their own image format of choice, on the web iCloud Photos. So there's that too.

(At this point my music library is stored as ALAC because it's well supported in both Linux and Apple's OSes. Really wish it wouldn't have to be that way though. Someone needs to tell them about ffmpeg.)

For example they used to have their own video container .mov

It's always very very funny every time someone mentions MOV, because while it's very similar to MP4, it's actually an open format while MP4 isn't (!). You actually have to pay for the MP4 standard document while Apple just gives you the MOV documentation.

Also at least taking a screen capture on macOS still gives you a MOV container, actually.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Apple made ALAC as an alternative to FLAC due to the dubious licensing around FLAC at the time.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Interesting. I can’t find anything about the FLAC licensing issues. Do you have a link?

(Also, correction — Wikipedia says macOS in general can play FLAC. I guess it’s just the Music app that can’t import them.)

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m really not sure where I originally read it. I did some digging and I found some discussion about FLAC and patent trolls on a few forums, including the Talk page of the Wikipedia article, but I haven’t found anything concrete.

It might be that the patent troll thing was just a rumor!

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

Ah, alright. Thanks for looking!

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

well there ain’t no more licensing issues now are there

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes they are no longer scared of the licensing enough most modern Apple devices do have at least some FLAC support.

Also ALAC is a free and open source codec which also has wide support.

And with a tool like FFMPEG you can easily convert between the two and they are both lossless so there is no data lost in the conversion.

So really just use whichever you like it really doesn’t matter.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

since you seem to be knowledgeable about this, i wanna ask: do you think one should use .opus or .ogg as the file extension for OPUS files?

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

I think both work since opus is the codec but ogg is the container, but personally I’d probably go with .opus because it’s more descriptive.

Btw Apple’s ALAC and AAC files are typically stored in an mp4 container but with the m4a extension to mark it as intended to be audio only (although it may have a video track, which usually is used for album art).

[–] desentizised@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wouldn't even know how to hold a local music library on macOS these days. The app that used to be iTunes is now just called Music right? It's way confusing for me but I also don't daily drive the OS anymore. I have my stagnant library in Subsonic which in itself is a stagnant product but you know how it is with Spotify these days.

I didn't know MOV has a more accessible license than MP4 but yea MP4 in itself is hardly what one ever wanted to hold their content in. All I know about MOV is that back in the XP days obviously Windows couldn't play them out of the box. Not that WMV (lol) was any more desirable. I guess most of my stuff back then was AVI.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t even know how to hold a local music library on macOS these days. The app that used to be iTunes is now just called Music right?

Yeah. I have a local library consisting of some albums I bought, some which aren't on streaming services, and some other stuff such as game soundtracks + also use Apple Music streaming. They complement each other really well.

[–] desentizised@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do Apple still sell Music in that app?

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

They do actually, the iTunes store still exists. I haven’t used it though since while it’s DRM free at this point, it’s not lossless.