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[โ€“] papalonian@lemmy.world 161 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Gonna preface this by saying Ive got no issues with you or your comment, I recognize what community I'm in.

But advice like this is so frustrating for actually normal people who are single and are struggling to find a partner. It implies anyone who can't get a date can't do so because they're the equivalent of a stinky smelly mongoloid who's been wearing the same underwear he uses to clean his pits for 3 days.

Again your comment is perfectly valid given the context. OOP probably left out that he tipped his fedora to the m'lady because of all the dandruff that fell off when he did it. But being told in normal communities to "just take a shower bro you'll get a date ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฝ" feels like being corrected on your spelling, in a math test, when you spelled the word correctly in the first place.

/rant

Edit: oof. So I upset some people with this one, obviously, but the only people I care about that I upset are the ones who pointed out the unfortunate term used above. As some had guessed I had no idea of it's origins. (Ironically, I noticed the similarity when my phone generously assumed I wasn't a bigot and tried autocorrecting to something.. marginally less offensive, but in the midst of typing out a rant I didn't think twice.)

I'm leaving it so others can see my mistake and hopefully learn from it. But when selecting fun and frivolous language, I'll make sure to remove that one from the pot.

[โ€“] Yuki@kutsuya.dev 59 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oof, also I laughed at your example at the bottom. This actually happened to me in highschool and it still haunts me.

[โ€“] 0ops@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had one geography and pre-algebra teacher in junior high that was like this. She practically refused to give out 100% on any assignment or test, and as far as I know no one ever could. She took the time to pick out any little flaw. Word misspelled? You lost points (granted, that's fair for place names in geography). Handwriting not typewriter-perfect? You lost points. Didn't quite erase something to her standards? You lost points. Didn't format a handwritten page precisely as she defined (and she was extremely precise)? If you're lucky you lost points, but she often threw those away with a zero. Used the wrong type of pencil? Allegedly she could tell if it wasn't written with a #2 pencil, and would throw the it away if it wasn't. The best grade I got in either of those classes was 99.5%. What did I miss? One of my 'i's had the dot slightly touching the rest of the letter. Real Umbridge character personality-wise too, more than anyone I ever met.

All this allegedly to prepare for college. So it was a shocker when I got there find out that I could straight up get 2/10 correct on a calculus test but still be graded at 80% because (read this in a slavic accent) "you made mistakes in algebra, but you know your calculus". Go figure

[โ€“] Yuki@kutsuya.dev 3 points 1 day ago

Omg... I would've been so angry with her if that were to happen to me XD! 99.5% because of a fucking dot on the i ...

[โ€“] ryannathans@aussie.zone 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Yuki@kutsuya.dev 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Our condolences

[โ€“] adam_y@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dude, the use of "mongoloid" is not cool.

You know what it means, right?

[โ€“] MBM@lemmings.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The double whammy of referring to a specific syndrome and racist origins

[โ€“] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Holy shit, just looked that up, and it has layers to it. Based on the rest of their comments in the thread, I'm sure it wasn't intentional, they probably had no idea of the origins and meanings (I certainly didn't), but man is that one problematic.

[โ€“] papalonian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

OOF.

Based on the rest of their comments in the thread, I'm sure it wasn't intentional, they probably had no idea of the origins and meanings

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. Probably should've clicked when my phone graciously tried to save me with autocorrect, but I was typiiiing.

Original comment updated.

[โ€“] papalonian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Well I'll just see myself out then.

Comment updated. Thanks. Sorry.

[โ€“] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Take a shower before you see a sex worker.

[โ€“] papalonian@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I WINT SHOWER BEFORE SEEING A SEX WORKER I WONT SHOWER BEFORE SEEING A SEX WIRKER I WONT SHOWER BEFORE SEEING A SEX WORKER I WINT SHOWER BEFOR E SEEING A SEX WORKER I WONT SHOWER BEFORE SEEING A SEX WOREE

[โ€“] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

BTW, and now that we are doing this, dandruff is not a sign of lack of hygiene. It is a common symptom of skin conditions like dermatitis. I don't like to recommend subreddits in Lemmy, but take a look at r/sebderm and read a couple of threads there. Fortunately, most people don't know it, but a chronical skin condition can get you suicidal.

[โ€“] papalonian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, dandruff was an unfair blow. I just figured if I was going for a standard 4chinner insult, it almost made it better.

If the OOP is actually real I don't actually think they're a fedora warrior.

[โ€“] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Nah, it's cool. I just took the opportunity for a PSA.

[โ€“] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago

If you're hygienic then the comment isn't for you

[โ€“] workerONE@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The comment doesn't imply that everyone who can't find a partner is unkempt, it's just a recommendation to help people out.

Like if I said that people who ride bicycles are physically fit, I wouldn't be implying that everyone who is physically fit rides bicycles

[โ€“] papalonian@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like if I said that people who ride bicycles are physically fit, I wouldn't be implying that everyone who is physically fit rides bicycles

Right, but if you were a fat guy who cycled to and from work every day and you made a comment online about how unhappy you are with your body, don't you see how...

"Guys: ride a bike, go outside, stop driving down the street to get the mail. Exercise is sexy"

... might make you feel like there's something wrong with you? "Man, if all the advice anyone should need is, 'go ride a bike', and it isn't working for me, what the hell is wrong with me? I'm fucked."

So yeah, I understand that it's just bullshit generic "advice" meant to "help" people, but when you're struggling to figure out why people won't give you the time of day and everyone says that all you gotta do is take a shower and people will find you attractive, you're not in a mind state to go, "hey, I already did that, so it doesn't apply to me/ I shouldn't consider it". You think, "so everyone ranks me with the guy who doesn't shower", "there's no point in trying because I've already done what everyone said", "there's something inherently wrong with me/ women/ men/ society because the system works for everyone but me" etc etc etc.

And actually no. "Take a shower and wear clean clothes" is almost never meant as genuine advice to help someone out. It's a tongue in cheek insult, directed at men like OOP who dared to express their loneliness online, meant to belittle them and make the commenter feel superior over someone desperately looking for companionship.

If someone who has been studying hard says they've been struggling with math, is "bro, read a math book. Do some actual sample problems. Stop blowing off your homework." advice, or a condescending insult?

[โ€“] workerONE@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nobody says that's ALL you have to do. How are you taking this personally? How do you think the tip is secretly meant as an insult? I can see that if you've thought about this a lot and tried many things, it could be frustrating to see simple tips like this. Regardless, you're reading more into people's personalities and their intentions than is really there.

What this means to me when I read it- many people have a very sensitive sense of smell and after even any light activity or enough time, people will not smell perfectly clean anymore. I have showered and then spent 15 minutes working on something and then been told that I smell. Good luck if you meet someone that has a sensitive sense of smell- you will probably be told to take a shower whenever you are not perfectly clean and want some physical interaction. Will you tell them "that is secretly meant as an insult against people like me who have tried everything...." Or will you take a shower? Then you'll be told to shower every time it's relevant, maybe multiple times per week, that's on top of showering every day. Now you've been informed that there are people like this. Relationships require some accomodation to the other person's wants, and hope the other person will likewise make a similar effort to accommodate the things that are important to you.

[โ€“] ladicius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

You hit the nail on its head.