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Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The what party? America still has more than one political party?

Edit: I don't mean 'both parties are the same, you knuckleheads.' I mean there won't be a Democratic party by the next election. There won't be any parties but the Republican party.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

50/50 on that one. It's just as likely they keep an opposition party to keep up appearances as many dictators do and have sham elections.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Kind of a distinction without a difference when it comes down to how anything works though.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If we're talking about a distinction without a difference then we can admit that America is a one-party state that only pretends to be a two-party system.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

No, sorry, I can't admit that Hillary Clinton would have picked the same sort of SCOTUS justices that Trump picked, the ones that did things like end legal abortion nationwide.

I also can't admit that Trump would have appointed Lena Khan to any sort of powerful economic position.

And I certainly can't admit that Republicans had an infrastructure program considering they had four years to come up with one and never did.

Edit: If you want to say that the U.S. has two major political parties, one is center-right and the other is far right, I won't disagree. But that's a different issue.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

But you have to admit that RBG didn't step down during Obama's term, that they let Republicans keep Merrick Garland out of the SC and gave them that seat, that they didn't put Roe v. Wade into law during any of the chances they had to do so.

Admit that they were excited about Cheney and Bush's kids giving an endorsement and never even bothered putting Sanders on stage at a campaign rally.

Admit that their presidential candidate underperformed the abortion-legalizing state ballot measures in every state that had one.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

See my edit:

Edit: If you want to say that the U.S. has two major political parties, one is center-right and the other is far right, I won’t disagree. But that’s a different issue.

You telling me what I need to admit has nothing to do with your initial claim that it has only pretended to be a two party system. Do not move the goalposts.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What goalposts?

America has a capitalist monoparty that only pretends to be two parties so as to maintain the illusion of choice.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Got it. Bernie Sanders is an ultra-capitalist far-right Republican. Thanks for letting me know.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's a reason why the Democrat superdelegates refused to nominate the most popular American politician in 2015.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with anything? He's a member of the right-wing monoparty, isn't he? You can't be an independent if there are no parties to be independent from.

Why is Bernie Sanders such an ultra-capitalist far-right Republican? I would like an explanation for this because I didn't realize he was, but your own logic says he is.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

What does that have to do with anything?

It disproves your BS.

He's a member of the right-wing monoparty, isn't he?

He was an independent, switching his allegiance to the monoparty didn't help him win any federal elections.

You can't be an independent if there are no parties to be independent from.

You seem to have very suddenly switched from accepting the reality of the American monoparty to suggesting that no parties exist at all. Are you sure you're arguing in good faith?

Why is Bernie Sanders such an ultra-capitalist far-right Republican?

He isn't, that's why he's not president right now.

I would like an explanation for this because I didn't realize he was, but your own logic says he is.

You've never discussed my logic, you jumped straight from "American political parties only pretend to be separate entities" to "America's most famous center-left social democrat is actually a right-wing ultraconservative" as if making the latter claim would disprove the former.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What exactly do you think 'mono' means?

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Inseperability. Codependence. A lack of notable distinction.

Y'know, like how our "two" major parties are the opposite faces of the same capitalist coin.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Oh I see, Bernie Sanders was only an ultra-capitalist far-right Republican during the years he was in the Democratic Party, like when he ran for president.

Boy, we sure dodged a bullet there.

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All I can do is hope that you're wrong

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Oh don't worry! That's what the checks and balances is for. There will always be a check to the executive branch. Sure the executive branch is Republican but the Senate won't be-... Well wait okay it is but at least the house-... Well alright they'll have the executive branch, the house, and the Senate, but the judicial branch is still going to be able to-.... Well at the very least two of them are about to retire and will be replaced with ppl hand picked by president so th-....

Well at least the ice cream machines at McDonald's can be fixed independently now... That's something right?

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Not to rain on your (already overwhelmingly underwhelming) parade, but how long do you think the progress made on Right to Repair will last?

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Ain't that something

[–] knightly@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That was already the case, remember when Harris was excited to get Republican endorsements and promised to put one on her cabinet?

[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Revisionism. Just last week you assured me that she was going to win, and that the republican party would collapse on itself. Hang on to your ego.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, I didn't think the Dems could screw it up regardless of how badly they're cosplaying right-wing nutjobs from 2004.

Either Americans oppose genocide more than I hoped, or they're more bigoted than I feared. Dunno whether I'm too cynical or not cynical enough.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's sad people keep trying to use these against her

[–] knightly@pawb.social 2 points 6 days ago

Right?

With friends like these, who needs enemies?