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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But the same thing can be said for the people ignoring the faults of Kamala...

Especially when they're just begging for an end of genocide, or fracking destroying their communities, or any other of multitude issues where Kamala and Trump have the same policies even though the majority of the Dem voting base disagrees with them.

It seems odd to act like the "high road" is the one where genocide is ok, when we could just have someone who was anti-genocide...

There's fall less people willing to hold their noses to vote for genocide and fracking than the other way around. And very few people who are only voting for Kamala because her border, genocide, and fracking policies are the same as Trump's.

The people that want that are still voting trump, if they told you that it would change your mind....

I hate to break it to you, but they lie about this shit all the time so even if they lose they win.

No one is ignoring her faults. She is just less flawed then the alternative. People need to learn how to vote. It is literally the only zero sum game that matters.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, how does Trump improve any of the issues you describe?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He doesn't, neither does Kamala...

So why get mad at someone who's line isnt the same place as yours?

You can tell at them to throw their morals out the window, or unite with them and demand just a little more than the bare minimum you would accept

Why is no one allowed to ask for anything more than your bare minimum? And why would you risk trump to not help get more?

I don't logically understand your position, I understand what it is, just not why it's your position.

Can you elaborate on how this:

just speaking from positions of privilege because they don’t personally have as much on the line. I just find it hard to sympathize with that perspective.

Isn't applicable to you wanting people to ignore genocide? In some cases where it's literally their close family over there as the victims?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He doesn't, neither does Kamala...

Then why even have this argument?

How about we swing this double edged sword the other way? Why try to alienate women who lost their rights with the overturning of Roe v. Wade because of Trump's supreme court appointments? Or what about every LGBTQ+ person in the US who is trapped at the edge of their seats because members of the supreme court have stated they'd like to revisit Obergefell v. Hodges, too?

How about all of the kids who are shot to death at school because of unchecked gun proliferation that Trump's party has blocked attempts to regulate? Or people who are drowning to death in medical and student debt that Trump blocked attempts to solve, while he just has a "concept of a plan" that no one is able to describe?

Or maybe we can look at his previous presidency, when his hateful rhetoric caused sharp rises in hate speech and crimes committed against people of color and the socially vulnerable? The rise in white supremacist/domestic terrorist groups? The election denialism that resulted in January 6? The complete and utter failure to properly manage the Covid-19 pandemic that led to the preventable deaths of millions?

The threat of fascism literally looming over our heads and being told none of that matters because Kamala is no different from Trump in my specific hand-picked list of issues, that's what I take issue with.

If someone is not willing to do the bare minimum to keep him out of power because they don't see a reason to vote for Kamala, I have a long list of less-kind words I'd love to say if I didn't believe in trying to maintain civility online.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Then why even have this argument?

Because if instead of spending time and effort trying to convince voters to lower their morals...

We'd be better off uniting to hold Kamala to a higher standard, because then we'd stop trump, and get more of what we want.

I'm not sure what's confusing about this.