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varies greatly with whether or not the west ever ever comes to the negotiating table, which im genuinely not convinced of
I mean at some point Ukraine will just run out of soldiers and they'll have to negotiate. This kind of attritional war is hugely in Russia's favor and Ukraine has no way to win.
That said it'll be a while off. Apparently 73% of Ukrainians they're winning and that they'll go back to pre-2014 borders which would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Yeah I think this ends with Ukraine being Russia or parts of Ukraine being a nuclear wasteland. Russia really has no limits on how far it can go except its own wishes, which at this point are mostly informed by how pissed off the Russian people are with Putin and how many measures he has to hem them in, which are a lot.
I don't think there's a realistic chance of the west taking part in a peace and normalising relations with Russia anytime soon. But eventually access to cheap Russian resources will begin to look tempting to western Europe, especially if American exploitation of Europe becomes too obvious.
I don't think any serious movement towards normalisation will happen until Putin retires or dies.