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[–] CthulhuOnIce@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I smell butthurt. If you think that stateless(without any autority) and utopian society is possible today or in future for human species(we know today. Power-hungry, greedy, selfish and materialistic, which then turns into power-hungry rulers that always use communist ideology for their gain. Always dictatorship. Always tyranny.) then there are the doors and go say this fairy tale to some idiot.

Incredible how you call me butthurt but don't substantiate any of your claims whatsoever, just slinging insults as an argument. My what mechanism would communism always lead to tyranny? What mechanism makes "greedy selfish and materialistic" people destroy socialism from within? Do you think that Marx's ideology, a strictly and explicitly materialist one itself, wouldn't consider people are materialistic?

No law enforcement? I cannot find this now, but police is literally tool of state. It would have different form in truly communist society and that society would basically treat itself as one big family so I am lazy to think how this would work at all.

Police aren't the only form of law enforcement that could ever exist. if you're too "lazy" to think outside the box, whatever, but don't blame communists for doing it.

Factories and shops? You do realize that you would still work under real communism, right? Communist regime here prided itself at work. Everyone had to work. We even had anti-parasitic laws where police would start to look for you, if you missed the job for 3 days. It might have different form (so not factory or shop), but that is how it would roll. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". You work and then you take what you need. Like one big family. Does not work. Even family has authoritative figure that "corrects" your needs. Also, common ownership in family only works, because you know them.

Yes I'm aware you would still work under communism, but you are once again using the conditions of capitalist production and just placing them in the communist mode of production assuming they wouldn't be fundamentally altered by the substantively different economic conditions. You never lived under communism, at best you lived under socialism, and most of your peers statistically prefer it to capitalism.

I assume we are both workers and I give exactly zero shit, if you are alive or not, which means that I will never share property with you, because I have no reason to do so.

Communism is not an empathy-driven system, so your whole line about not caring about me is pretty pointless. What property do you even have to share? Are you going to resort to the "toothbrush" argument?

COPE and ideological language. "scientific socialists" sounds like another cope. Let me guess. Bogus science, bogus theory, bogus future predictions.

Scientific socialism was a term coined by Engels to describe marxism, is this your first time hearing it? You list out a bunch of "bogus" but can't seem to substantiate those claims. Maybe if you could you wouldn't have to "guess" that they're bogus?

First, there are no capitalist ideals

LMAO, patently false. Capitalism is its own ideology too with its own theory and proponents and ideals.

Education was tightly controlled by communists here. After coup in 1948, they basically seized the whole educational apparatus. Especially colleges that were then meant to promote communist ideology. Education is necessary for communist society to run.

Once again you prove your lack of understanding of Marxism by not understanding the distinction between communism and socialism.

I think I already mentioned it above. Human error of communist ideology. You need opposite of what people currently are. Educated, caring, altruistic, etc. Utopia.

You have still failed to explain how exactly people not being perfect undermines socialism. It seems like you think you can hide your lack of substance behind snarky self-righteousness but you're not making any actual criticism besides venting your obvious animosity towards socialists