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[–] Doug@midwest.social 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well if no one does anything it won't be better should reincarnation come around.

I think Dr. Seuss has some pertinent wisdom here.

Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot nothing is going to get better. It's not.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Its not really a matter of if I care. I cannot sway billionaires, the ones who put us into this situation. I cannot make them stop destroying the planet. They do not care what I think, and they are solely motivated by profits. Nothing else. They have no morality, no sensibilities, no sympathy, and they have absolutely no desire to do literally anything about the unfolding climate crisis. They don't care. They'd double emissions in a heartbeat if they'd make a few cents off of it. God knows they've done it before, and they've done much worse for much less money.

Until the money billionaires have stolen from us is rightfully given back to us, we have no means of intervening directly ourselves. The only other option is insurrectionary revolution. Those in the ruling class have shown us consistently over the last 150 years that they have callous disregard for the environment and for the future of humanity. They have shown time and again they will ignore all warnings, they will dismiss all concerns, they are apathetic to human life, and are solely focused on the accumulation of stolen wealth. There's no middle ground here. If we want to do something meaningful to mitigate this crisis, the billionaires and the ruling class have to go.

[–] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

If it gets too hot, they'll just buy a bigger AC unit. Then a bigger one. Then they'll move underground. Until that gets too hot as well.

There was a meme floating around a while back with a quote from some native american fellow saying something along the lines of 'only when the last bison has been killed,[...] the last tree has been felled, will they realized they can't eat money'.

Their power of the rich only exists as long as the rest of the people are giving it to them. We as a collective are not able to break away though. At the end of it all apathy goes both ways. They are apathetic to human life, the rest of humanity is apathetic to human life. It's a self perpetuating system. The 'fuck you, got mine' mentality is the one to blame here and perhaps it's one of the traits that brought us so far.

And, for all the good and bad it's brought us, we conquered the planet (grey connotation intended there) because it was 'never enough'. For instance, some creatures could fly. We couldn't. So we fixed that by keeping birds in cages as pets and by inventing powered flight.

Undeniably, we've gotten ourselves in quite a pickle with this mentality, but I propose here that they are the inevitable result of humanity. Hoarders have been around since humanity started killing each other for resources (see monarchies as an example). They are probably not fecking off too soon. And I don't believe eat the rich is a solution because people will just eat the closest rich person and change the definition of rich to 'has a bit more than me' to justify it.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they going to go just because you say they have to, or will action be required?

Assuming it's action does that happen with apathy or do you have to care?

Caring a "whole awful lot" does not start and stop with green initiatives by the people.

The "do you care" flow chart boils down to two directions:

  • No > then it doesn't matter
  • Yes > then what are we going to do about it

Which branch gets to what you're talking about?

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends, how likely do you see a socialist insurrectionary revolution happening?

To be clear, I do care. I'd like to have a good life. But I cant snap my fingers and magically radicalize the entirety of the world. I do my best with the limited platform I have, but I'm only one radical anarchist.

[–] Doug@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying you can or that you're expected to. Just like a single rain drop doesn't make a flood.

But if every rain drop got discouraged from falling because it can't make a flood all on its own we'd have been in droughts earlier and more often.

As far as likelihood, I think we've been approaching a revolution of some kind or another for a couple decades at least. It could be a violent one like the French Revolution, or a cultural one like the Industrial Revolution. Time, events, and people will make that determination, but the visible unrest with income disparity grows more obvious on a pretty regular basis.

[–] Sigma_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Doug@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Lorax which is really the most applicable one here.

If you haven't read it I'll also suggest The Butter Battle Book if you're interested in morality that boomers retroactively want to have not taught their children

[–] Sigma_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I have, just many moons ago. I'll take another read. Very pertinent