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[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So the majority of voters who voted for the president that was overthrown in Ukraine’s Revolution should just let it happen? Thats democracy?

[–] jabjoe 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From vague memory and skimming Wikipedia: The president wasn't acting for the good of the country, but for the good of his puppet master. The number of protestors against the government significantly outweighed the pro-government protestors. The government lost any moral authority when they authorized live ammo against the protestors.

You have to squint very hard to see Putin's Russia as the good guys. They use dangerous poisoning, on foreign soil, against critics who leave Russia. Those who stay keep falling out of windows. They corrupt foreign democracies using troll farms and funding destabilizing elements. Internal democracy is a sham, Putin is Czar for life. Successful opposition politics are arrested and sent to crazy harsh prisons, where they get beaten to death if trouble continues. The list just goes on and on and that's just from memory and doesn't even include Ukraine.

Screw the Russian government. I hope the Russian people are free it one day soon.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn't ask about Russia, I asked about the majority of Ukrainian voters who had their democratically elected president removed from office.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election

[–] jabjoe 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ukrainians can remove their leaders. Russia doesn't get to do that and they failed so far this time round. Though they have managed to seize yet more land.

Viktor Yanukovych may well have been elected fairly at the time. But he up set his people and then thought it was ok to authorize live ammo on his own people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity

He may not have started as a Russian puppet, but he certainly looked like one at the end.

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ukrainians can remove their leaders

Ok we're on the same page then, we're both ok with the people of Donetsk/Luhansk rebelling against the Kyiv gov

[–] jabjoe 1 points 2 months ago

Those people just happened to include a load Russia soldiers who happened to on holiday there.

Viktor Yanukovych being kicked out was by actural Ukrainians.

I don't see them the same.

Anyway, I'm done here. I keep ending up in these long threads with tankies / trolls from lemmy.world, life is too short.